Grading of 1970's Kellogg's Cards

Joined: March 20th, 2007, 3:03 am

March 14th, 2009, 4:50 pm #1

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
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Joined: January 21st, 2009, 1:10 am

March 14th, 2009, 5:16 pm #2

I just bought a couple 1970 Kelloggs listed as MINT and they both had cracks in the border. I let the seller know they could only be EX at best. It seems everyone has a different opinion. For me if it has a crack it can be no better than EX. That is pretty bad if something graded an 8 has any cracks IMO. They sure are nice cards and some of my favorites. Good luck with your set !!!!
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Joined: December 22nd, 2004, 1:24 am

March 15th, 2009, 12:57 am #3

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
Is it possible on the PSA 8's with small cracks, that the cracks came after they were slabbed?
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Joined: January 14th, 2007, 8:51 pm

March 15th, 2009, 1:26 am #4

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
Dave,

Based on my experiences, I'd say not only is it possible but most likely probable.
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Joined: June 19th, 2008, 6:59 am

March 15th, 2009, 1:45 am #5

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
The only set I ever started and then stopped was the 71 Kelloggs set. The cracks drove me nuts. I could easily see how a graded card could develop a crack after slabbing especially if there was a slight curl to the cards.
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Joined: December 16th, 2007, 6:04 pm

March 15th, 2009, 8:24 pm #6

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
The worse Kellogg set is the 1975 set. This set is very hard to find without cracks. In fact I think it is the toughest of all the Kellogg's set to find expecially in top condition. I once had a few sets and when I went to look at them they all developed cracks. I was very disappointed after buying them without cracks.
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Joined: May 2nd, 2006, 3:42 am

March 16th, 2009, 4:18 pm #7

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
The highest grade PSA will give a cracked card is a 3, assuming they see the crack.
It's not unheard of for these to crack after grading, sometimes years after. Cold weather speeds up this process.

Even more painful than Kelloggs cards cracking is '68 Topps Test 3D's doing it. I've seem some very, very expensive examples do this, and it's brutal.

I strongly suspect your 8's were cracked after they were graded, and will only continue to do so.
If you search the CU set registry board that are tons of threads about this- at one point the '70 set was hugely popular.
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Joined: December 22nd, 2004, 1:24 am

March 19th, 2009, 11:39 am #8

I've recently started working on a 1970 Kellogg's Baseball and a 1973 Kellogg's All-Time Greats sets and have found grading to be all over the place. My assumption going in was that any card that showed an imperfection (crack, surface scratch and of course a crease) would be graded at VG at best. In buying cards off of Ebay what people call as MINT certainly leaves me baffled, that is they can contain any or all of the above. I certainly understand people overstating grades but I've also purchased two PSA 8's and both show cracks in the card surface. The cracks stay within the border (don't enter the picture) but they are visible without any magnification assistance. Can anyone provide some insight?
I agree on the 75's.

I spent years looking for a decent Lou Brock, and finally just gave up and paid $5 for one at the National last year with cracks.

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