1961 Peters Meats Confusion

1961 Peters Meats Confusion

Joined: December 11th, 2008, 7:10 am

April 20th, 2009, 1:33 am #1

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








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Joined: May 3rd, 2004, 5:13 am

April 20th, 2009, 2:09 am #2

IMO, the grader that gave the top copy an "8" probably had/has no idea what the card looks like in its original form. That could be the only reason/explanation that got a number grade much less an 8. I would say either 3 or 4. HOw rare is the card? If you never ever see it and a copy like the first one comes up then you may have to go with it.
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Joined: October 1st, 2008, 4:13 am

April 20th, 2009, 2:22 am #3

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








and in my opinion, the first PSA example is a card, the full length and longest version is a complete wiener wrapper, as opposed to a porkette wrapper, and the one in the middle is a Wiener panel, again different than a porkette panel. I love them all.
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Joined: August 8th, 2004, 10:00 pm

April 20th, 2009, 3:57 am #4

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








It may just be a matter of personal preference, but I would definitely want one with the full yellow border (like example 2). Examples 3 and 4 are great as well, but are more akin to complete packages. I have just one in my collection (Kaat) and it has the yellow border.
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Joined: October 1st, 2008, 4:13 am

April 20th, 2009, 4:12 am #5

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








if you want the full yellow border, you would probably want the porkette panel. The second example is a trimmed panel, almost certainly from a weiner wrapper.
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April 20th, 2009, 5:32 pm #6

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








Todd- is there a noticeable difference in scarcity between the weiners and porkettes? I'd heard porkettes were tougher, but couldn't ascertain if that was slightly tougher or considerably tougher.
Any thoughts? Were these pretty common in Minn when you were a kid, like Bell Brands were out here?
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Joined: October 1st, 2008, 4:13 am

April 20th, 2009, 6:41 pm #7

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








yes, the porkette wrappers are noticeably scarcer than their wiener counterparts--I would say by 3 to 1. I was only two when these cards came out, so I don't have any real memory of their circulation, although I do recall as a youngster that the wieners themselves were a popular brand.
As for the cards, I have seen more complete wrappers available in the last ten years than I did in the preceding twenty, although that could be just due to the wonders of ebay and the Internet. They are still far from common. Curiously, you will rarely see one with staining, and they are often found in unfolded condition, suggesting that many escaped the packing factory without having been put to their purpose. I know that you could obtain them from the company directly, but those few I have seen that you could confirm were obtained in that fashion (through envelope or cover letter) were stapled.
For those who haven't seen one, here is a porkette wrapper:

As you can see, they were wrapped in the other direction than the wieners, probably because the product and packaging as a whole was smaller, and there is no reference to the cards also being available on the wieners.
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Joined: December 11th, 2008, 7:10 am

April 21st, 2009, 3:09 am #8

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








Todd, thanks much for the info and scan. I've never seen the porkette wrapper before - if I ever have the luxury of choosing, it looks like that would be what I'd want. The porkette panel card appears to need no "discretionary" cutting, so the card would have a more natural and presumably cleaner border and edge.

That said, it looks like it may be a long quest to find a NM/MT Killebrew in any variety. I had a chance to buy the whole complete weiner wrapper set in new condition 3 or 4 years ago from a Twinsfest dealer, but thought the price was too stiff at the time; seeing a VGEX Killebrew trimmed from a weiner wrapper go for over $300 last week on eBay makes me wonder if that was a bad decision.
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Joined: October 1st, 2008, 4:13 am

April 21st, 2009, 3:05 pm #9

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








I hope you find one to your liking. There is a complete set of wiener wrappers in the current Legendary auction, as well as a complete graded set of the cards on ebay.

One word of caution if you are looking to score a high graded example. The cards were manufactured with a heavy wax coating. To borrow from the Legendary auction description, cards often will grade "technically lower due to minor disturbances to the protective heavy wax coating". Actually, I have seen some beautiful cards from this set just hammered by PSA for these "disturbances", which usually cannot be seen unless holding the card at an angle, and which are, IMO, a perfectly natural and unobtrusive consequence of the manufacturing and handling process. That doesn't bother me, as I tend to buy the card, not the holder. What does bother me is that some have removed the wax coating--I am told it can be done with patience--and have obtained great grades, as PSA does not seem to notice or care about the difference. This goes beyond trimming cards that were meant to be hand-cut anyway, and alters the natural character and qualities of the card. Of course, people have different views as to whether this is acceptable--my point is, if it matters to you, look closely at the card to make sure you are getting what you want.
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Joined: January 2nd, 2005, 12:23 am

April 21st, 2009, 4:35 pm #10

I don't have one of these in my Killebrew collection yet, but I'm confused as to which "version" I should pursue. The Standard Catalog suggests that the "true" card is the 3rd one pictured below - with the extra inch of border at the top. However, PSA seems to draw no distinction between any of the ways these can be cut, and from what I've seen prices seem to be pretty much the same for 3 of the 4 (all except the full packaging). Any opinions on these cards would be most welcome. Thanks.








Those are great cards and wrappers but does anyone else find it disturbing there once was a product named "porkette"?!
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