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September 12th, 2015, 11:26 am #1

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Hello Folks....I have renamed this particular thread "The Political Agenda Thread" as I feel we can throw anything political into this thread. It's had quite a lot of pages so far and I can't see politics disappearing any time soon so it's here to stay and I promise I won't change the thread title again for the millionth time haha! :thumbs

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The right man won. Now socialism can be restored slowly over the next 5 years in the Labour Party hopefully. I really hope good things will come out of this man! Finally a proper opposition to the Tories! A Leader who can say "NO" to David Cameron! Justice has been done!

Here's the live stream of the whole thing in case anyone missed it!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09 ... 26364.html
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September 12th, 2015, 11:52 am #2

Hm...this guy wont do anything- as usual, he intends to go to some rally supporting refugees today or something. He won,he will talk a bit of his usual stuff and wont do anything and will be as useless as David Cameron. Nothing will change you will see.
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September 12th, 2015, 4:47 pm #3

DAVIE wrote:The right man won. Now socialism can be restored slowly over the next 5 years in the Labour Party hopefully. I really hope good things will come out of this man! Finally a proper opposition to the Tories! A Leader who can say "NO" to David Cameron! Justice has been done!

Here's the live stream of the whole thing in case anyone missed it!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09 ... 26364.html
Hope for your sake this really does bring about change! :thumbs
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September 12th, 2015, 7:01 pm #4

JoanOfArc wrote:Hm...this guy wont do anything- as usual, he intends to go to some rally supporting refugees today or something. He won,he will talk a bit of his usual stuff and wont do anything and will be as useless as David Cameron. Nothing will change you will see.
How negative...literally nobody in the Labour Party attends rallies and by Corbyn doing that he's sticking a big two fingers to the load of Labour MPs who were in agreement with the Tories on their refugee policy. In fact most of those have now left the front bench, thank god! Hopefully we will actually see a few more Labour MPs attending rallies in general, not just the odd anti-austerity rally where it would look bad on Labour since 200,000 people turned up!

mammaof3, if he changes nothing and a more centrist or Blairite politician takes his place then I suppose I'll head back to the Greens or another socialist party until the job is done...even if nobody likes them or their politics. Have you seen the news? The right wing media hate this. "Oh, the Labour Party is absolutely broken! Everyone's leaving!" ....Can they just remember that the majority of Labour wanted this man? We wanted Blarism dead!
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September 13th, 2015, 8:36 am #5

DAVIE wrote:Hopefully we will actually see a few more Labour MPs attending rallies in general, not just the odd anti-austerity rally where it would look bad on Labour since 200,000 people turned up!
Im just a realist.I dont trust politicians.
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September 13th, 2015, 9:04 am #6

JoanOfArc wrote:Hm...this guy wont do anything- as usual, he intends to go to some rally supporting refugees today or something. He won,he will talk a bit of his usual stuff and wont do anything and will be as useless as David Cameron. Nothing will change you will see.
I'm looking forward to you being proved wrong. I don't blame you for the pessimism, for 99% of politicians I'd share that opinion. However Jeremy has form for sticking firmly to what he believes in. He has a fantastic mandate from the membership. The Labour Party is swelling in numbers. Since he was elected Leader 24 people have joined every minute.

My job means that I spend a lot of time with people very much on the left of the political spectrum. When Jeremy started his campaign I saw a lot of enthusiasm, but had the sense not to read too much into that in terms of making judgement on his appeal outside of this. Very quickly this was proved to be unwarranted. I was delighted to witness a mass movement evolve in a matter of days. The snowball is still rolling.

The Tories are worried. Within minutes of his election they were all out peddling a very scripted narrative. What they fail to realise is that they are just fuelng his appeal. It's exactly this parrot rhetoric politics that people are sick of.
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September 13th, 2015, 11:10 am #7

Brel wrote:
JoanOfArc wrote:Hm...this guy wont do anything- as usual, he intends to go to some rally supporting refugees today or something. He won,he will talk a bit of his usual stuff and wont do anything and will be as useless as David Cameron. Nothing will change you will see.
I'm looking forward to you being proved wrong. I don't blame you for the pessimism, for 99% of politicians I'd share that opinion. However Jeremy has form for sticking firmly to what he believes in. He has a fantastic mandate from the membership. The Labour Party is swelling in numbers. Since he was elected Leader 24 people have joined every minute.

My job means that I spend a lot of time with people very much on the left of the political spectrum. When Jeremy started his campaign I saw a lot of enthusiasm, but had the sense not to read too much into that in terms of making judgement on his appeal outside of this. Very quickly this was proved to be unwarranted. I was delighted to witness a mass movement evolve in a matter of days. The snowball is still rolling.

The Tories are worried. Within minutes of his election they were all out peddling a very scripted narrative. What they fail to realise is that they are just fuelng his appeal. It's exactly this parrot rhetoric politics that people are sick of.
You seem to be very optimistic about it.We'll see.
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September 13th, 2015, 3:56 pm #8

My take is this, and I again say I wouldn't vote for anyone before I start...

England is experiencing the kind of political earthquake that Scotland has, show people a realistic socialism and they like it! Pretend to be socialist and you can get away with that scam for a while, but you can't fool all the people all the time. Blair wants to go back to scamming people with a Labartory party but it isn't what people want! They have voted and loudly said real labour values are what matter to them...
In Scotland we just watched all the Blairites getting kicked out of office, and yes its fun to watch, The Labour party will now have a period of resignations, sackings or reshuffling and this will be fun to watch, a lot of career politicians see the lie of the land and "quit" knowing they have no place in any future shadow cabinet, having no real principles they will melt away.

I think soon, any Tory voters who voted Corbyn will regret this action, as Prime Ministers question time is about to be a real clash of ideology rather than an Oxford debating class. Labour has been literally a poor mans Tory party for 20 years, how will Tories cope when they are being taken to task week in and week out about some of the most politicaly unjust policies ever enacted? Trouble for Cameron is the smoother he talks now the more of a snake oil salesman he will look now he is up against a conviction politician.

I agree largely with Brel and Joan, I am not so cynical as to believe their isn't the odd honest person in politics and think if nothing else the party is over for the Tories, with European issues on one side, Revitalised Opposition and an SNP party determined to put a fresh mandate for devolution in their upcoming manifesto we are about to see Cameron having the toughest fight of his career on his hands.

Corbyn seemed to fight a fair and dignified campaign, rose from 100 to 1 to 1/16 on, so yeah, fair play to the man!!

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September 13th, 2015, 7:03 pm #9

Corbyn is playing a blinder with the first PMQ's. He's asking for the public to come up with the questions that they want Cameron to answer. Cameron never answers opposition questions at PMQ's instead preferring to attack the question and the person or party who is asking. That'll be a bad move this time, as he wont be trading insults with the opposite benches but the British public.

Clever Swine!
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September 13th, 2015, 11:50 pm #10

Haha...what a clever thought, Brel! That really is genius of Corbyn!
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