Something that still pisses me off.

Something that still pisses me off.

celtredleg
celtredleg

August 20th, 2011, 5:20 pm #1

Way long back in ancient history, I offered to help Dave out with his seekitty plan. It was a serious offer. I like arguing the minor position, try to figure out how to win with the loser.

I knew a couple of things that could have help the cause, thngs that really happenedthat hurt Fighter command. May well have helped a lot if repeated.

But, to join with him you had to loike sign a mutual suicide pact, that whatever he saiod was right. Have to support the latest iciocy of the moment. Oh, and dont mess up theorys with facts.

Not going to do that. I am pretty good at ignoring most peoples opinions of me, but appearing majorly stupid has little appeal.

And that really annoys me. I would have liked to see an intellegent discusion of the subject, not strident shreikinbg over very poorly thought out ideas. There are probably others that have good ideas for the Germans, but because they are not brain damaged, they dont wish to step forward and be associated with those that clearly are.

What I dont get is why the fanboys wont argue about Stalingrad, or Kursk. Places that the Germans had a damned good chance to win, with a few different decisions.

But that is probably it right there. They tend to be very materialistic. It is comparatively easy to count rifles, and gather up ideas to bring in more rifles. But to argue tactics, you need to understand what went into the ones that where used. And that takes real work. If they where easy anybody could be a General. Instead they would much rather blather on about an open mind when they mean one so open the small amount of brains have leaked out through the cracks.

Owen
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John
John

August 20th, 2011, 10:47 pm #2

RE: Dave and his idiot theories You might just as well have tried teaching a mule to play the trombone. It does no good and it just pisses off the mule.
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celtredleg
celtredleg

August 21st, 2011, 2:22 am #3

his ass and at last he could play one note right.

I like to discuss and argue. Odin used to be good for that, even if he was wrong a lot of the time. But once seekitty came along he wanted to discuss nothing else. Anything to much gets old. And it sure did


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Dennis
Dennis

August 21st, 2011, 10:41 am #4

Ethnic and racial prejudice, sexism and being a ratzi fan-boy sure as hell are as bad as 24/7 seaslut in my book. Worse in fact than not being able to discourse on more than one topic.
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celtredleg
celtredleg

August 21st, 2011, 5:44 pm #5

And particularly when somebody unloads a lot of it. But, It took time for that crap to start leaking through, so again there was a time when a small dose was tolerable.

I think what bothered me most about those things was ther denial. Pretending they where not real. I find that I can at least sort of deal with those that are upfront ands none appolegetic about thier views. Unless we are disucussing something that they directly effect, i can carry on a conversation. Of course it is hard to caryy on much of one about WWII with a dedicated fanboy of the Nazis. With more than a few shades of a neo besides.

One of the things that drives me crayiest about the fanboys and neos is thier willfull stupidity. There is no, none , zero evidence that North america was completely settled by viking types before columbus came along. There is good evedence for a few vits and a bit of exploration. And yet they scream long and shrilly that they where here first. No paleo indians. Just good old Odin fearing aryan white boys.All that silly fake archeology is planted by jewish backed people that want to steal thier heritage.

I have a hard time wtriting that and not laughing. Compared to some of them I have talked to, Leandros is almost a schiolar. Could well be where he learned his style from. I bet in personal conversation if you counter his point, he responds by repeating the first at a louder voice. Who evr can yell loudest and longest wins. A big reason I stay away from them. Well that and the whole race traiter thing.

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John
John

August 21st, 2011, 7:57 pm #6

mostly because he presents only the information that supports his argument, while ignoring all of the overwhelming facts and evidence that shoots his whole thesis to hell and gone.
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celtredleg
celtredleg

August 22nd, 2011, 6:58 am #7

No not a scholar by any stretch. More like a writer of modern fantasy. And he doiesnt even have the excuse of using drugs.

BTW, did you know that the nazis where the first to link smoking and lung cancer? And the first to start anti-smoking rules. Just shows people are more complicated and hard to pigeon hol;e than we like.

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mooster
mooster

August 22nd, 2011, 12:40 pm #8

I wouldn't mind having a good Sea Lion discussion right here at the LZ. I think we're all convinced the invasion couldn't have been done, but looking for realistic options and possibilities could be fun. I think the absence of a certain someone would be more helpful in having hypothetical military history discussions rather than inhibiting it.

No one ever needed a Texan to get a conversation going. I've felt for the last couple of years that the reason LZ has become less of a history site is because all of us regulars have already talked about everything under the sun and are pretty much in agreement about most things. Sort of like old married people who sit in a room without saying much because they don't need to. Or those dudes on King of the Hill who stand in the back alley and just stand there drinking beer together. That Luanne chick is kind of hot in a dull WT cartoon sort of way, isn't she?

And if you are completely opposed to stupid, fun, wild fanciful history, do yourself a favor and don't visit my facepage when Loki pays a visit.

Peace,
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John
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August 22nd, 2011, 4:35 pm #9

Logistics and also, how do you keep the Royal Navy from savaging the German Invasion Fleet both on its way across the channel and later, while it is unloading, by both day and night? WWII history shows us that it takes at least three days to unload a fully combat loaded transport ship of all its men and material onto a hostile beach head. The Kriegsmarine will be of little help in protecting the barge and transport convoys, after it's pitiful numbers of escorting destroyers, torpedo boats, s-boats and other support ships have either been sunk or driven off, badly damaged. What's more, there would be no replacements for them in the absolutely crucial followup convoys that would be so badly needed in the coming days. U-Boats would be next to useless for convoy support ships, as they move far too slowly while submerged and make great targets while on the surface. The much vaunted Luftwaffe would be of little help during the day, in the face of RAF fighter opposition and none whatsoever after the sun went down. Protective mine fields would be of little use, because the Germans simply didn't have enough of them to make a difference, nor the time needed to lay the ones they did have. Besides, the RN had several hundred minesweepers, who could easily sweep away the mines, faster than the Germans could lay them, while keeping the ship channels open for RN use.

Meanwhile, the Royal Navy would continue to grow stronger with each passing day, as more and more RN warships arrived on station and committed themselves to battle against the invading Germans in the English Channel. With well over a hundred British and Allied Destroyers and Cruisers, nearby and quickly available, not to mention several hundred more of their smaller warships who would soon be sailing in and around the invasion grounds, Sealion would quickly become one massive "Bug Hunt" for the British, while inflicting Stalingrad-like casualties or worse on the invading Germans.

Whatever numbers of German troops who could somehow claw their way ashore, they could expect little to no support or reinforcements in the coming days. They would soon find themselves out of ammunition and at the mercy of ever growing numbers of British motorized and armored troop formations.
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Dennis
Dennis

August 22nd, 2011, 5:41 pm #10

I wouldn't mind having a good Sea Lion discussion right here at the LZ. I think we're all convinced the invasion couldn't have been done, but looking for realistic options and possibilities could be fun. I think the absence of a certain someone would be more helpful in having hypothetical military history discussions rather than inhibiting it.

No one ever needed a Texan to get a conversation going. I've felt for the last couple of years that the reason LZ has become less of a history site is because all of us regulars have already talked about everything under the sun and are pretty much in agreement about most things. Sort of like old married people who sit in a room without saying much because they don't need to. Or those dudes on King of the Hill who stand in the back alley and just stand there drinking beer together. That Luanne chick is kind of hot in a dull WT cartoon sort of way, isn't she?

And if you are completely opposed to stupid, fun, wild fanciful history, do yourself a favor and don't visit my facepage when Loki pays a visit.

Peace,
Mooster, I can't see it ever being successful. The only thing on the topic that is of interest to me is whether or not maintaining pressure against the British Isles was a better option than striking the Soviets.

Arguing for a continuation of pressure on Britain still requires a significant disconnect from reality, but IMO, it is a better discussion.
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