NY Times article on Stan Lee - 4.13.18

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NY Times article on Stan Lee - 4.13.18

BelleArgent
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April 13th, 2018, 3:15 pm #1

I'm not a comics fan (dodging tomatoes) but I do respect Mr Lee and his place in cultural/film history.

I also don't know all the gory details on what's going on, but for an article that seems to have been meant to reassure people, it left me *very* sad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/styl ... abuse.html

Edited to add the link to the Hollywood Report article that set it all off, and to say "Yikes!" :(

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featu ... or-1101229




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gene phillips
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April 28th, 2018, 8:29 pm #2

The Hollywood Reporter piece felt like a better piece of journalism than the NYT one, but even so my eyes started to glaze over, trying to keep track of all the people who want a Piece of the Man.

It sounds like he's better off than Russ Meyer in his last days, who was totally controlled by his house-companions.
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April 29th, 2018, 1:28 am #3

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Wich2
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May 1st, 2018, 1:23 am #4

Oy.

Well - if true - the old saying holds:

"There's no fool like an old fool."
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will
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May 16th, 2018, 2:13 am #5

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Grant
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May 19th, 2018, 12:31 pm #6

I guess stories like this beat trivia like Yemen.
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Wich2
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May 22nd, 2018, 4:20 pm #7

Grant, if not for such trivia, boards like this would not exist.
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Grant
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May 24th, 2018, 2:37 am #8

Yes, it's just that there's "trivial" here and there's "trivial" in the mainstream media. (It's not for nothing that "MSM" is a very negative set of initials to some of us.)
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May 24th, 2018, 5:43 am #9

I respect his genius, and I love his Atlas horror comics of the 50s.  But I loathe his superhero work.
"I should like to think that an irate Jehovah, was pointing those arrows of lightning directly at my head!"
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will
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May 24th, 2018, 10:48 am #10

The pre code stuff was written mostly by others. In those days they actually had sub editors.

EDIT
I was reading up on pre code horror comics and Marvel as Atlas started publishing them before EC. The notion that EC started the trend isn't true. They became the most influential, but that is a little different.
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Wich2
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May 24th, 2018, 3:31 pm #11

Marvel didn't start it, either. There had been stories and one-shots, but the first series was this one from ACG, which far outlasted the pre-code era:

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will
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May 24th, 2018, 3:59 pm #12

True, but Gaines liked to claim ACG was supernatural and they were horror. Partly true. The first issue had werewolves and the like, then they switched to mostly ghosts until EC got straight horror more popular, although ACG never was that hard core. It is hard to evaluate early Marvel because it isn't PD like the others, but it looks like they had vampires and the rest of it. I think Avon's one shot Eerie, which predated all of them was straight horror. What Gaines never admitted to in any interview was the horror comics wasn't his idea. It was Sheldon Moldoff, who sold him on the idea then Gaines reneged on the deal they made. The earliest EC horror was packaged by Moldoff. He then took the idea to Fawcette.
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Wich2
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May 24th, 2018, 4:35 pm #13

ACG's early ishs ran the gamut:

Werewolves, Vampires, "Frankensteins," Ghosts... And no, not quite as gory as EC (and some others) got, but definitely pre-code, and most assuredly qualifying as Horror.
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will
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May 24th, 2018, 5:59 pm #14

I went through them on Comic Books Plus. Adventures into the Unknown in the first year are practically all ghosts except a brief Frankenstein serial. When the monsters became common it was after EC.
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Wich2
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May 24th, 2018, 8:05 pm #15

Aw, c'mon, will - be fair!

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First ish. First page.

Richard Hughes keeps his award!
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will
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May 24th, 2018, 9:33 pm #16

Yes, I know. I mentioned that in my previous post the first issue had horror like a werewolf story. The first issue, I forget his name, all the stories were written by a Weird Tales writer. Then it looks like Richard Hughes took over and they are all ghost stories. I went through them a while back trying to find another monster after the first issue. Hughes was never happy about having to follow EC. ACG added an assistant editor later and he and Hughes were the main writers on the horror books. After the code all the stories are by Hughes.
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July 6th, 2018, 6:54 pm #17

will wrote:  ...The first issue, I forget his name, all the stories were written by a Weird Tales writer....
This was H. P. Lovecaft's friend, Frank Belknap Long, Jr.  See this piece: https://web.archive.org/web/20151117012 ... ok-censors
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will
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July 6th, 2018, 10:02 pm #18

Stan Lee's name as writer is still on the Spiderman newspaper strip. But it doesn't sound like what I am reading about his mental state he would be up to writing it. My guess is his brother, Larry Lieberman, is writing it. His name is also on it. He originally joined it at some point as an artist, but there are now three names on it, and the third is an artist. It doesn't sound like Lee ever completely wrote the newspaper strips. According to Jim Shooter early on he did the continuity, panel breakdowns with thumbnail sketches before Lee filled in the dialogue.
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