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April 14th, 2018, 10:10 am #21

I had to suppress my laughter at this hour!
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April 14th, 2018, 10:28 am #22


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April 14th, 2018, 2:25 pm #23

A movie with Tim Curry has something going on it.  I've read Tim is disabled with a stroke, is RITUAL before or after the stroke?  Loved him in TV's IT, and he does a masterful job as one of the nastiest (physically and mentally), unlikable villains in a two part episodes of CRIMINAL MINDS.  Spend one hour and 50 minutes (minus the commercials) hating him and you end up feeling sorry for him.  He should have been nominated for an Emmy,
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April 14th, 2018, 6:21 pm #24

PerfectPawn wrote: I intend to read Reality of Terror one of these days.  Any reason why Siegel and others rate Seventh Victim so highly?  I found it dull and plodding.  It came off to me like an endless sequence of people wondering where the sister was, with the psychiatrist making smarmy comments about not being able to divulge her whereabouts.  It just kept going on and on and on.  I Walked With A Zombie on the other hand moves at an absorbing pace, with an incredible visual style.
Hadn't thought of it before, but your description of "The Seventh Victim" as an "endless sequence of people wondering where the sister was" made me think of "L'Avventura".  Of course, in the latter, the heroine, I believe, SPOILER??  never does turn up.  Wonder if Antonioni had seen TSV....😝

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April 18th, 2018, 8:02 am #25

Did Hitchcock see The Seventh Victim? I'd say yes. And yes, Antonioni, too.

Val Lewton's influence on directors, producers, writers, of television and feature films, was enormous. The European subtlety and delicacy of The Seventh Victim can be seen in films for decades after. It's even there, a bit, in style and plot, in the 1971 Klute. It's not a horror, but it has a lot of very eerie scenes, and the overall mood is dark, sort of contemporary American Gothic. Made just after the Sixties ended, it reflects a transitional era; an era that would end even before Disco came along.
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April 19th, 2018, 7:05 am #26

I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE is a gem.  Jacque made Sir Lancelot scary!  Sir Lancelot!!!
When I first saw THE LEOPARD MAN, I felt that Clo-Clo must be some kind of jinx or curse.  The two young ladies who greet her are both killed.  Plus the fact that the gypsy kept turning up the Death card--I thought, "OK, this is about Eddie Albert's wife being the embodiment of death!"*  Well, not quite, but I enjoy it anyway!

*That was Eva Gabor!
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April 22nd, 2018, 3:08 pm #27

Rick wrote: Nothing about the quote or the movie even. But I didn't want to start a new thread for a movie that doesn't deserve it.

And, no, the undeserving movie is certainly not I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE. It's the remake of that film, titled RITUAL from (maybe) 2002.


I didn't know this movie existed till just a couple of years back when I read something about a remake of I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE. At first I thought someone had lost their mind. First, why would anyone remake it? Second, if someone had remade such a classic then surely I would have heard of it.
Well, turns out someone did remake it and somehow I hadn't heard of it.


Now I've seen it. It truly is a remake of I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE, though much changed. It stars Jennifer Grey and her remodeled nose in the Frances Dee role, with Craig Sheffer as master of the house. The zombie wife has become a zombie brother and he's only sometimes a zombie. Or something.


So this one, being from the 21st Century, features gore and nudity and and and. In every way it has lost, or more properly, abandoned everything that was subtle in the original. Not just the obvious, but even the psychology of the piece, even the presentation of the voodoo. 


It will surprise no one, I trust, to hear that RITUAL is not a good movie, and not the tiniest patch on the Lewton classic which it so artlessly rips off.


By the way, this is a "Tales from the Crypt" movie. It is introduced and ushered out by the old Cryptkeeper. I read a bit about this online and there seems to be some dispute as to whether it was always intended as a "Crypt" offering, or if the wraparound "comedy" was an afterthought.


Not that it really matters, of course. 
And lo and behold...

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April 24th, 2018, 5:59 pm #28

Am I the only person who feels IWWAZ  isn't as enjoyable after the walk through the cane fields and the voodoo ceremony. It goes a bit flat after that for me . I do enjoy the film a lot though ,as I do all the Lewton Horrors and MADMOISELLE FIFI  & APACHE DRUMS.
My favourites remain  ISLE OF THE DEAD & THE SEVENTH VICTIM


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April 24th, 2018, 7:21 pm #29

professor liebstrum wrote: Am I the only person who feels IWWAZ  isn't as enjoyable after the walk through the cane fields and the voodoo ceremony. It goes a bit flat after that for me . I do enjoy the film a lot though ,as I do all the Lewton Horrors and MADMOISELLE FIFI  & APACHE DRUMS.
My favourites remain  ISLE OF THE DEAD & THE SEVENTH VICTIM


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IWWAZ:  Maybe, but guilt, responsibility, suspicion, etc. get sorted out, very interestingly, in the last third.  True, I guess, the intoxicating visuals don't resume until the very last sequence....

IOTD:  Again, my lobby card is happy....

TSV:  No lobby card, but I'm happy....😝

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April 24th, 2018, 8:50 pm #30

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April 24th, 2018, 11:29 pm #31

professor liebstrum wrote: Am I the only person who feels IWWAZ  isn't as enjoyable after the walk through the cane fields and the voodoo ceremony. It goes a bit flat after that for me . I do enjoy the film a lot though ,as I do all the Lewton Horrors and MADMOISELLE FIFI  & APACHE DRUMS.
My favourites remain  ISLE OF THE DEAD & THE SEVENTH VICTIM


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Maybe so. I haven't seen IWWAZ for a long while, however I do remember the ending, the last scene, or sequence if you will, and the accompanying music, as darkly beautiful as any I can remember for a horror film.
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April 25th, 2018, 5:33 pm #32

Yes, the scene in the surf, It is beautiful. I just think the films a little uneven in the last parts. I must try and find my copy and watch it again
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May 1st, 2018, 7:26 pm #33

"A voodoo warning" from William Seabrook's "The Magic Island" (1929), and a still from I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE.

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May 1st, 2018, 7:40 pm #34

haraldg wrote: "A voodoo warning" from William Seabrook's "The Magic Island" (1929), and a still from I WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE.

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In fact--although neither "I Walked" nor "White Zombie" is an adaptation of "Magic Island" or the stories therein--"Walked" takes a bit more from Seabrook than does "White Z"....😝

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May 1st, 2018, 7:48 pm #35

Indeed - the Inez Wallace article which was the "official" source of WALKED is just a piece of fluff.

BTW, it can be read here: http://web.archive.org/web/200112080717 ... eekly.html
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May 22nd, 2018, 7:46 pm #36

From "Gold in Them Chills,” Collier's,January 29,1944. Sorry for the bad quality, but I've never seen that particular still anywhere else.


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September 12th, 2018, 6:04 am #37

If you haven't seen I Walked with a Zombie at a huge old theater in 35mm, you haven't seen it. (I saw Island of Lost Souls that way too. Lucky, lucky.) During the masterpiece famous scene, the creepy, insistent sound of the drums heard from a distance at first, growing louder, and the wind sighing through the cane fields, combined with the visuals engulfs you. Television tends to kill horror movies, especially old ones. Unless you have one of those new big size screens and maybe a nice sound system. Television doesn't kill Hammer Horror in color quite as much.

The high praise for Isle of the Dead absolutely baffles me. I always found it a sleeping pill. Everybody has their favorites.

I've seen Ritual more than once mainly to see Jennifer Grey doing African tribal dancing. I noticed no similarity to I Walked with a Zombie whatsoever.
I could watch it again with that in mind, but if you really need to do that, the resemblance is not that great.

It was also nice to see I Walked with a Zombie with an audience. The reaction to lines like
Betsy: "I'm not easily frightened"
Mrs. Rand: "That may be the pity of it."

Alma: (Spoken with an almost whispering intensity) "Tonight the Rada drums will talk to Legba and Damballa. Better doctors."
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September 12th, 2018, 6:36 am #38

I can't decide between IWWAZ, Cat People or The Leopard Man as being my favorite. I've probably seen IWWAZ the most times followed closely by The Leopard Man. That sequence with the girl going to get meal or flour or whatever for mamacita is absolutely brilliant and scares the hell out of everyone I show it to. Lewton left us way, way too soon.

Sometimes I get those drums from IWWAZ stuck in my head...
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September 12th, 2018, 6:47 am #39

Tommy wrote: I can't decide between IWWAZ, Cat People or The Leopard Man as being my favorite. I've probably seen IWWAZ the most times followed closely by The Leopard Man. That sequence with the girl going to get meal or flour or whatever for mamacita is absolutely brilliant and scares the hell out of everyone I show it to. Lewton left us way, way too soon.

Sometimes I get those drums from IWWAZ stuck in my head...
I like all three, too. The sonorous, almost plaintive music of I Walked With A Zombie puts it over for me. Ever since my first viewing, it's like it still plays in my head 🤔; well, some of the time, not always. I remember it well. It's a beautiful score even as it's dark and haunting. Then there's that final scene 😱.  Poetic and horrifying at the same time.
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September 12th, 2018, 6:51 am #40

PerfectPawn wrote: It's funny how critic/fan perception changes over the years.  I've got a 1968 book titled "Hollywood in the 1940s" by Charles Higham and another author whose name escapes me; in the two-page section on Lewton, they state that "Seventh Victim" is "generally considered the greatest of Lewton's films," and also states that "Isle of the Dead" is his "masterpiece."  "Cat People" is praised but dismissed at the same time, and "Curse of the Cat People" is considered a misfire.  The Karloff films are generally praised as well.  

All these decades later, and the two Cat People films seem most praised, with the Karloff movies usually only appreciated by fans of the actor.  I know some Lewton fans who completely dismiss the later movies with Karloff.  And "Seventh Victim" I found to be a total bore -- incredible that in the late '60s it was considered the "best" of his movies, especially when you rank it against "I Walked with a Zombie," which is better in every regard.  Even "Leopard Man" is better -- saved for me just for that surreal-esque shot at the end of the film of the robed and hooded Catholic procession walking off into the fairytale-looking backlot skyline.
That surreal ending of The Leopard Man is striking, and for the first time viewer, unexpected. I love it. One of the best sequences in the Lewton canon.
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