Hereditary (2018)

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June 8th, 2018, 10:44 pm #1

I'll go super easy on the spoilers.

Thankfully we have the hype machine to take what might have been a decent little sloooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww burn movie and turn it into a massively over-hyped disappointment.
The problems I have are the usual these days. I had almost no attachment to the family and I found them all fairly unlikable.
The scares I have heard so much about are pretty much non-existent. None of the images are that disturbing (two scenes got me to sit up a little, one involving a pole on the side of the street and the other with somebody sawing something). Maybe a Rosemarys Baby for the new generation, as I found that movie painfully boring and not scary at all.
Basically this is another arthouse film that decided to be horror in the final 20 minutes of its 130 minute run time.
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June 9th, 2018, 2:29 pm #2

I really want to see this one. 
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June 9th, 2018, 8:11 pm #3

Save your money! Another pretentious horror film, loved by critics, hated by the wife and I. Just like THE WITCH, IT COLES AT NIGHT, MOTHER, etc. I’ve decided if the critics like it, I’ll HATE it! So slow and long. We wished we would have saw OCEANS 8 instead. Really hoped they would have showed the new HALLOWEEN trailer before, but no luck. They did have the poster up in the lobby though.
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June 10th, 2018, 8:13 pm #4

From USA Today:

The acclaimed horror thriller Hereditary, starring Toni Collette, made its debut with $13 million, finishing fourth. The feature-film directing debut of Ari Aster, Hereditary has received rave reviews and been hailed as the year's scariest movie since its debut at Sundance Film Festival. Either from disappointment or simply because they were stunned from fear, audiences gave the notoriously scary film — about a family cursed after the death of its matriach — a D-plus on CinemaScore.
The audiences were kind, I'd give it an F! Again, critics rave, filmgoers dislike.
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June 10th, 2018, 8:44 pm #5

Yeah, there really is nothing scary about this movie.
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June 13th, 2018, 6:58 pm #6

Ari Aster's Directorial debut is an intense, disquieting horror thriller. It commences mainly as straightforward drama with its tale of a dysfunctional family with creepy elements folded in slowly. The death of family matriarch Ellen sets off the chain of events. At the funeral, we are introduced to her daughter Annie (Toni Collette) and her husband Steve (Gabriel Byrne) and children, daughter Charlie (Milly Shapiro) and son Peter (Alex Wolff).

The movie builds slowly and steadily, becoming an uncomfortably grueling exercise in family dysfunction. Two specific incidents spark a turn in the story towards horror, one internal, the other external. Even then, Director Aster ratchets up the horror elements at a deliberate pace. Once the machinations get truly revealed is where the story problems coalesce. The build up wounds the viewer into knots, but the payoff gets progressively less and less interesting.

I hate to be equivocal, but HERIDITARY is that kind of movie. General audiences who infamously gave the movie a D+ Cinemascore opening night will likely have already emotionally bailed on the movie by the last act, but, even those who hung in there will likely be split by how the movie resolves.

Not equivocal is Collette's performance. A performance so good that it lingers even when the movie is, unfortunately, taken largely out of her character's control. Too many coincidences and outside forces have to intervene to drive the plot (not to mention an incredulous lack of interest by the cops and social services). Still, Collette is so strong, she binds the movie even as it spins towards some dubious places. The rest of the cast is fine, including Ann Dowd as a woman Annie meets during a grief counseling session. The audio mix and music provide an atmospheric backdrop. The photography, while well lit and framed, isn't as impressive in its digital rendering (and the less said about the CGI flames, the better). Aster uses a lot of Doll House imagery (Annie is an artist who specializes in that form), but it never truly pays off (again here, some of the Digital photography makes even some of the 'real' settings look like CGI fakery - intentionally or not).

In the end, HERIDITARY is a mixed bag. Undoubtedly disturbing on one hand, but, losing control of its narrative on the other. Without delving into spoilers, I will just say that the plot machinations should have remained steadfastly 'All In The Family'. In other words, it should have adhered closely to its very title.
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June 15th, 2018, 3:26 pm #7

My daughter was annoyed by the way the movie handles the BIG event with the daughter in regards to the son. How all of that could happen and there seems to be absolutely no reprecussions is a little odd and makes the event nothing more than something to move the story to where it needs to go.
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June 22nd, 2018, 3:28 pm #8

A new writer joined The Haunted Cinema, and his first assignment...Hereditary

You can check out his thoughts here:

Hereditary is the DNA change needed in Modern Horror
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June 23rd, 2018, 10:55 am #9

My son and I went and saw this last night. I'm the horror guy, he is not. We both felt the movie was well directed, acted, and shot, however, at the end, he didn't like it and I did.

I don't think that this film is this generations Exorcist likes its being billed. The tension was built very well, the pay-off was good and both formulaic & suprising at the same time. 

I recently read and article that the studio, A24, are becoming masters of publicity. Their method is taking a positive festival viewing and running with it, generating steam that the film can't sustain. This will eventually bite them as fans will become wish to the gimmick.

All in all, I give it a 7 out of 10.
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June 23rd, 2018, 3:18 pm #10

I have seen many claim this is the game changer for horror. I think those people are forgetting that GET OUT, THE WITCH, and SHAPE OF WATER were also “game changers” for horror. Two of those films won numerous awards, including a best picture Oscar. I would say those were game changers. Not so sure about this one.
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June 23rd, 2018, 4:47 pm #11

Giving this a try in half an hour. Well, more like 90 minutes once all the garbage games, previews, commercials and ineffective warnings about cellphone use and talking are over.


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June 29th, 2018, 3:38 am #12

Liked this quite a bit, but as is the case with so many films these days, TOO BLOODY LONG. Similar to Kill Switch. Good atmosphere and performances. Still better than 90% of current genre product.


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July 1st, 2018, 5:09 pm #13

I saw it this weekend, and I was pretty impressed. It's probably one of the smartest and relentlessly dark horror films I've seen in ages. It's also very scary, but the film delivers two kinds of scary. There are the expected shocks and surprises, but there is also a low, brooding tension that steadily builds throughout the entire film until the feverish conclusion.

There is so much intricacy woven into the plot and visuals, that I can't really go into the details of what stood out for me, and I strongly recommend avoiding spoiler reviews. My only real criticism, is the pacing seemed a little wonky at times, but part of that could be me. I'm not always used to how more recent films flow.

Be warned, this is no popcorn summer horror outing, there are no heros, sentimental ideas about perseverance or love interests, just people trying to navigate new horror piled on top of horrors already endured. It's grim stuff, but frequently brilliantly so. I plan on seeing it again
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July 3rd, 2018, 10:59 pm #14

I just got home from this, and I dug it. Toni Colette (I've seen her in other stuff, Wikipedia tells me) gives the kind of performance that would get an Oscar if it was not a genre film. I also cared quite a bit for the broken family, liking the drama and writing. Perhaps most importantly, the plot surprised me when it was supposed to. 

Maybe not worth the hype (could it really be?) but well worth your time, at least according to this ghost.
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July 3rd, 2018, 11:10 pm #15

I decided to look up Milly "Charlie" Shapiro, because she intrigued me. Quite the well-spoken young lady!

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July 7th, 2018, 7:46 pm #16

If it had ended when the mother left the dinner table about 2/3rds through then it would have been "a devastating family drama" but when the supernatural shenanigans started it came off as too much of a tonal shift. In other words, either the first half was too subtle for such a literal ending, or the ending was too literal for such a restrained (supernaturally, at least) first half. It needed balance.

Honestly, I think if you've already seen "The Blackcoat's Daughter" then you can skip this one. And if you haven't seen TBD, check it out instead. "The Blackcoat's Daughter" is another slow-burner but much more consistent throughout its shorter (93 minutes) runtime, has some "shocks" if you need them, a more interesting twist and, IMHO, a more interesting ending. And it has the additional "gimmick" of being written and directed by the son of Anthony Perkins.

But back to Hereditary... I thought that sending the audience out with "Both Sides Now" -- the classic Judy Collins version, no less -- was the biggest WTF? of the entire experience. I like "Both Sides Now" (I still have a 45 of it somewhere), but what's it doing at the end of *this* movie? Since everyone had left the theater I stayed behind and sang along. "Moons and Junes and Ferris wheels..." :-)
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July 7th, 2018, 9:23 pm #17

Well, I think new movies are like new music. You like what you like, and not what you don't, and nobody is going to talk someone else in or out of it.

I think it's something of a spoiler to say what it starts as and how it finishes. I was lucky enough to know nothing of what to expect going in, and pretty much went along at the pace the direct wanted me to. Hereditary does shift tones, it also shifts points of view and character identification, which found compelling and subversively unconventional. The writer knew how to work with and against "the rules" for this kind of film, and in the end I felt deftly manipulated (in a good way).

It actually kind of made me think of what would happen if the creators of BLACK MIRROR had decided to make a horror feature.
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July 8th, 2018, 3:42 am #18

I was also completely in the dark going in to the movie. That did nothing to help it for me.
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July 8th, 2018, 3:45 am #19

pulp novelties wrote: Well, I think new movies are like new music. You like what you like, and not what you don't, and nobody is going to talk someone else in or out of it.
Why just "new" music? Or, a "new" movie?

Don't the same standards apply to "old" music, or "old" movies?

It's either good, or it is bad. The date of production has nothing to do with it.
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July 27th, 2018, 12:24 am #20

Joe Stemme wrote:
pulp novelties wrote: Well, I think new movies are like new music. You like what you like, and not what you don't, and nobody is going to talk someone else in or out of it.
Why just "new" music? Or, a "new" movie?

Don't the same standards apply to "old" music, or "old" movies?

It's either good, or it is bad. The date of production has nothing to do with it.
Oh, I have to disagree there. Good or bad as it applies to art and entertainment is always pretty subjective. Go down the list of what film and music garners awards in it's own time and you might find yourself puzzled more often than in agreement.

I also think a lot of us revisit old films and music not just for entertainment, but also familiarity and a somewhat bankable experience. It's been proven through research that our strongest aesthetic tastes are formed in our teens and twenties. Sometimes that results in the broader embrace of those things that relate to what we already like and less openness for something unfamiliar and new as we age.

Speaking for myself, I know I give more of a pass to some old horror film I walked alongside over the decades than the latest flavor at the multiplex. In this case I felt I was seeing not only something "new" in terms of age, but progressively new in the trajectory of the genre, and I was overall pretty impressed. Even if Heredity proves to be one-off, I found it a canny one.  
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