Detectives of the West

Classic Murder Mysteries, Who-Done-Its and Detective Films
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March 11th, 2018, 12:30 am #21

That’s the one!


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March 13th, 2018, 7:50 am #22

will wrote: You just gave away the ending.  You don't know Mitchum is the bad guy until the end.

Unless my memory is off.
Doesn't really matter in this case. Of all the mysteries I've seen, this one probably has the most obvious ending ever. I find it hard to believe that the ending wouldn't be obvious to viewers of this film.
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March 13th, 2018, 8:04 am #23

The short-lived 1961 Audie Murphy TV series Whispering Smith (it, absurdly, fell victim to the anti-violence-on-television hysterics of the late 1950s/early 1960s) was Western in setting but essentially a detective show, with Murphy a police detective in frontier-era Denver who used physical clues, shrewd questioning, and deduction to solve murders and robberies; there were a few standard Western shoot-em-up sagas on the series, but most of the episodes were either whodunits or (more frequently) "howcatchems" ala Columbo, with Murphy tracking down the evidence that unmasked a culprit whom the audience was wise to but the police weren't. Timeless Media put out a DVD set of the series which I highly recommend. 
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March 13th, 2018, 4:44 pm #24

DJ Neyer wrote: The short-lived 1961 Audie Murphy TV series Whispering Smith (it, absurdly, fell victim to the anti-violence-on-television hysterics of the late 1950s/early 1960s) was Western in setting but essentially a detective show, with Murphy a police detective in frontier-era Denver who used physical clues, shrewd questioning, and deduction to solve murders and robberies; there were a few standard Western shoot-em-up sagas on the series, but most of the episodes were either whodunits or (more frequently) "howcatchems" ala Columbo, with Murphy tracking down the evidence that unmasked a culprit whom the audience was wise to but the police weren't. Timeless Media put out a DVD set of the series which I highly recommend. 
The 1948 film version might also be a mystery-Western.  At the least, it's a Western, and Alan Ladd is a detective....😝

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March 15th, 2018, 11:51 pm #25

Some interesting suggestions, the problem is you can't see them.  YouTube only offer snippets, they are not available to stream on Amazon, and I no longer get TCM.  What Turner Classic Movies should do is have streaming availability like Netflix. 
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March 16th, 2018, 1:25 am #26

Lawrence Nepodahl wrote: Some interesting suggestions, the problem is you can't see them.  YouTube only offer snippets, they are not available to stream on Amazon, and I no longer get TCM.  What Turner Classic Movies should do is have streaming availability like Netflix. 
To the Ends of the Earth might be on the Internet Archives. If it is, I highly recommend it. That is wild. Although told in that quasi documentary format popular at the time, it is far from realistic. It has a complicated, intricate plot, but you can follow it and it is never dull. Tomorrow my phone internet renews so I will have enough speed to watch it there if it is complete.
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March 16th, 2018, 5:23 am #27

I should also mention Sergeant Rutledge - a mystery-western. I don't remember it well enough to let you know if there is an actual detective here who helps to solve the crime. I just seem to remember the courtroom scenes.
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March 17th, 2018, 9:51 am #28

Lawrence Nepodahl wrote: Some interesting suggestions, the problem is you can't see them.  YouTube only offer snippets, they are not available to stream on Amazon, and I no longer get TCM.  What Turner Classic Movies should do is have streaming availability like Netflix. 
My phone internet plan renewed and I just finished watching To the Ends of the Earth on the Internet Archive. Sound quality not great, goes in and out. Picture is fine. I haven't seen it in decades. Holds up. Great ending. Not a western. But a definite detective/mystery film.
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March 17th, 2018, 12:08 pm #29

will wrote:
Lawrence Nepodahl wrote: Some interesting suggestions, the problem is you can't see them.  YouTube only offer snippets, they are not available to stream on Amazon, and I no longer get TCM.  What Turner Classic Movies should do is have streaming availability like Netflix. 
My phone internet plan renewed and I just finished watching To the Ends of the Earth on the Internet Archive. Sound quality not great, goes in and out. Picture is fine. I haven't seen it in decades. Holds up. Great ending. Not a western. But a definite detective/mystery film.
What I mentioned above, I can view/stream all through my television and blu-ray system.  I could watch the Internet Archive suggestion through my computer, but I'm spoiled by screen size.  🙂
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April 10th, 2018, 6:44 pm #30

I see that the GRIT channel is showing- Station West (1948), with Dick Powell, tonight at 8:00-pm central time.  I've wanted to see this ever since it was suggested here on my original post.  
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April 11th, 2018, 2:34 pm #31

Lawrence Nepodahl wrote: I see that the GRIT channel is showing- Station West (1948), with Dick Powell, tonight at 8:00-pm central time.  I've wanted to see this ever since it was suggested here on my original post.  
.I am sure you will enjoy Station West.It really is a noir in a western setting. The repartee is great, the pace acting and story are all above average.I felt Burl Ives singing was a little out of place, but it did not detract from a piece of good entertaimnment.I hope you found it worth waiting for,I think its a cinematic gem.
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April 13th, 2018, 6:51 pm #32

Concerning "Station West":  Well it was okay, but not as good as I thought it would be.  I guess there are not many westerns with true detecting taking place, like Hec Ramsey.  The next night GRIT showed "The Maverick Queen", with a Barry Sullivan as a Pinkerton man.  The script was ho-hum, made better by the actors involved.  I'm thinking of maybe looking for "Whispering Smith", I haven't seen that movie in ages. 
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April 13th, 2018, 9:09 pm #33

Tall in the Saddle starring John Wayne is a mystery western. Don't expect great things from it.
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April 13th, 2018, 9:27 pm #34

SHOTGUN SLADE was a TV series from the late 50's that starred Scott Brady as a private detective operating in the Old West.  Like a lot of TV Westerns of the time, the lead character had a gimmicky gun.  Unlike a lot of TV Westerns, the show used a jazz score.  Sort of a cross between WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE and PETER GUNN.
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April 14th, 2018, 2:43 pm #35

I've seen a few mentions of HEC RAMSEY, what about Richard Boone's other Western HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL?  I would think Paladin would meet the definition of detective.
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April 16th, 2018, 7:49 pm #36

Concerning various posts above:  I like "Tall in the Saddle", Ella Raines was gorgeous!  Unfortunately this movie is in black/white, so you don't get to see those lovely eyes of hers in color.  I'll have to see if You of the Tube has any of those Shotgun Slade episodes available.  I don't really think that Have Gun, etc., is even close to being a detective western.  He's a gun for hire with a conscience.  
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April 17th, 2018, 3:28 am #37

Whispering Smith, Trackdown and Yancy Derringer had mystery episodes. I think the closet to Hec would be Whispering Smith played by Audi Murphy.
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April 21st, 2018, 5:10 am #38

davlghry wrote: SHOTGUN SLADE was a TV series from the late 50's that starred Scott Brady as a private detective operating in the Old West.  Like a lot of TV Westerns of the time, the lead character had a gimmicky gun.  Unlike a lot of TV Westerns, the show used a jazz score.  Sort of a cross between WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE and PETER GUNN.
Well, You of the Tube have many "Shotgun Slade" episodes.  I have watched a few of them now, including the very first one, entitled- The Missing Train.  After watching (from season 2) The Laughing Widow, I couldn't help but think they had a passing resemblance to two Arthur Conan Doyle stories, The Lost Special, and The Disappearance of Lady Francis Carfax, respectively.  But the pieces of the puzzle come together when you figure that this show was created by Frank Gruber.  He had his hand, one for screenplay, one for adaptation, in two Sherlock Holmes movies featuring Basil Rathbone & Nigel Bruce.  Those being- Dressed To Kill, and Terror By Night, the latter having the coffin angle featured in The Laughing Widow.  Thanks for the suggestion davighry.  
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