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MooseMan
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November 12th, 2017, 7:31 pm #1

Got this today at a local auction and I'd love to know what it is. It's pretty complete, just missing the SV - the bush had dropped into the boiler, I've already popped off the end cap and resoldered it. Looks like it may have been at least partially repainted at some point.

Any info much appreciated







Cheers, Odilon.

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MooseMan
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November 12th, 2017, 7:39 pm #2

Update: I think it may be a Bar-Knight loco. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers, Odilon.

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MooseMan
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November 12th, 2017, 8:55 pm #3

I've just had it confirmed by Colin Laker that this is indeed a Bar-Knight loco.

A bit of research shows that it was made in Glasgow, post-1914 and probably around 1920. There is a connection with Clyde Model Dockyard.
Cheers, Odilon.

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Roly Williams
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November 12th, 2017, 9:09 pm #4

I'm jealous!

I believe CMD did sell BK products under their own name at some time, so the connection is quite possible.
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MooseMan
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November 12th, 2017, 10:26 pm #5

Found this elsewhere on the forum:

"The name Bar Knight is a conflation of Barr and McKnight, the latter was the leading partner in the company and M.D of Clyde Model Dockyard, he set the company up in 1914. to fill the gap left by the cessation of German imports and sold his share to a Mr MacDonald in 1924; this percolated a significant change in direction away from steam and clockwork to 4volt electric."
Cheers, Odilon.

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Mamman
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November 12th, 2017, 10:28 pm #6

 The name      Bar-Knight was made up from the two company owners,  Barr and McKnight, the latter was the leading partner in the company and  the MD of  CMD, they set the company up in 1914 to fill the gap in the market when German imports were stopped during the war. McKnight, then sold his share to a Mr MacDonald in 1924, who then started the change from clockwork and live steam to 4 volt electric locos.

  They made 3 live steam locos, the one you have is the second one the no 25 made from 1924- mid 30's. The first one was identical, but had no buffers, flame guard or oiler, and was introduced in 1921 and the third one had a larger dia boiler and whistle.

  I've got a no 25 and it also came without a SV, but I found a mamod 1/4" with short spring is a perfect fit .

                                     Chris.
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Mamman
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November 12th, 2017, 10:40 pm #7

MooseMan wrote: Found this elsewhere on the forum:

"The name Bar Knight is a conflation of Barr and McKnight, the latter was the leading partner in the company and M.D of Clyde Model Dockyard, he set the company up in 1914. to fill the gap left by the cessation of German imports and sold his share to a Mr MacDonald in 1924; this percolated a significant change in direction away from steam and clockwork to 4volt electric."
   SNAP !😆😆    If I hadn't stopped to pour out another drink I would have beaten you to it !
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MooseMan
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November 12th, 2017, 10:44 pm #8

Thank you very much Chris!!!!
Cheers, Odilon.

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nuvolari
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November 14th, 2017, 1:48 pm #9

Nice find Odilon, it looks like it will make a good runner.
Thanks for showing this rear loco.

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yussufhippo
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November 18th, 2017, 3:22 pm #10

Nice find, indeed!
Looking forward to watching its progress and the video :-)
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