Jagdtiger No.2 "Sunny Boy" from 653 KG Ybbs River Austria 3 May 1945 - Part 1

Joined: September 14th, 2008, 1:28 am

August 28th, 2011, 5:12 pm #1

Taking a break from the other much more involved 512 Jagdtiger build with the full interior, I made a start on my second much simpler exterior-only one this weekend which I'll do up as "Sunny Boy" from the 4 vehicle mixed SS/WH Kampfgruppe from 653 (that Kubinka's present day museum survivor was part of). They were apparently dispatched from the factory in the closing days of the war and operated near Strengberg in southern Austria. I've chosen to use Dragon's 9036 late production kit for this one as it has all the final features of this batch and if nothing else will be an interesting JT build comparo between DML and Tamiya's varying approaches. As it only comes with indi-link Transport Track and no skirts I've used the spare rubber band wider battle tracks left over from Tamiya's kit, as well as the sideskirts I also didn't use which will hide most of these less well detailed tracks which works out well;


This vehicle apparently broke down on the Ybbs River bridge and had to be dragged out of the way. I'll use Kubinka's as a guide to its features and look - though its under very heavy camo net and foliage cover, so hard to see too much at all which will make the build a little bit easier than the other one with any luck...I just have to find a convincing way to do the ropey looking cam net.

Another similar one wearing this net but no skirts;


Anyway this is the only known shot of "Sunny Boy" showing the nickname on the mantlet, and what may well be the hint of a black standing teddy bear logo similar to the one seen with the GI and Russian posing on one of the Strengberg vehicles?;



For comparison the Strengberg link-up Teddy Bear Jaggie with its much clearer mascot emblem:


10 or 12 years ago I posted on ML wondering whether these bears had any significance in terms of a hierarchy in the KG or a callsign alternative, or whether they were just random whimsical affectations of the crews? Sadly it seems it still remains a mystery. There is definitely this sitting bear we know of, "Sunny Boy" may as mentioned sport a standing bear, and the one in the background of the link-up shots seems to maybe have a white Polar Bear perhaps? So what they mean, if anything, we may sadly never know...

Of interest too is an item Ray Blythe spotted in the shaggy camo net and thought could perhaps be a small step ladder, but after a lot of peering and test fitting its what I'm fairly sure now appears to be a wooden chair unusually wedged into the C-Hook on the front LHS (sourced from the old Tamiya Ger. Inf. at Rest set);


Heres the photo resting on the hull to allow a quick comparison of my effort to replicate it;


Haven't made a vast amount of progress past wheels and tracks yet - really only detailed the back plate up so far which will probably still be visible and not be buried in foliage and net. Brief list of things done were;
* Pushed the heel of a knife blade along the centre exhaust pipe flange to simulate the 2 halves, and added 4 bolts to top of it from sliced rod
* Added the empty C-Hook brackets from rod and strip with accompanying wingnuts and rivets and hung a Tamiya jerrycan off one with a .005 thou spacer in it
* Cut the brackets off the C-Hooks themselves and added them to the front towing eyes and U-Bolts
* Added casting numbers to the tow hitch and exhaust guards from Slaters plastic and Royal p-e no.s
* Added the missing lifting lugs to the exhaust guards from rod and the bolt tabs from strip
* Added an Aber p-e chain to starter crank tube
* Added a 40 link per inch chain to the tow hitch pin with a tow cable end from Nordland in place for the cable to be added later
* Added wingnuts to the mudguard flaps as well as the retainer spring pin ends and handles from rod & strip, plus detailed the inner face of the RHS one which I've bent back
* Undercut the top edge of the moulded on distance light and added a fine brass wire conduit for it
* Scribed in the oxy-cut edges of the armour plates
* Added 2 pair of Model Kasten links behind exhaust pipes
* Removed moulded on though bevelled kit skirt lugs on last 2 sections on RHS and replaced with Model Kasten ones



























Two on the go should well and truly keep me on my toes for the next month I'd say...

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August 30th, 2011, 4:48 pm #2

Sadly couldn't resist it and have gone down the rabbit hole yet again with a partial interior for this one too. I want to depict it with engine problems in its documented breakdown on the Ybbs River bridge so I was always planning an engine bay, but then figured the crew would then be out on the deck examining the troublesome engine with the engine hatch and obviously the 2 rear doors open. Meaning that a fair view of the interior would be seen again. I've gone a lot more low tech this time round though, and it is a true through the hatch effort with anything out of view omitted and the things that can be seen pretty basic;

Heres VP Engine used (VP2117) which short of a tiny bit of wiring is a pretty fair effort overall;


Primed up in Matt Black prior to detail painting. After some test fitting I ended up removing the 2 protruding filler caps on the rear of the box as without them on it sits up under the underside of the upper hull much better. They can't be seen anyway with the deck plate on so no loss at all;


While a very basic fighting compartment floor and gun is provided just like Tamiya's, the DML offering is even simpler in the level of detail. The gun is very plain and even lacks a breech block, the floor bins are missing their recessed handles and again the Gunner's and CO's seats are missing completely as is the travel lock and any ammo stowage.

As luck would have it in an old resin Verlinden Jagdtiger Interior set used on another project there were oddly two breeches supplied so I cut off the very basic kit one and replaced it with this better detailed resin offering to save a bit of time. Also added the elevation gear, a Gunner's station, the back half of 2 stowage boxes on top of the breech, CO's seat and some minor strip and rod extras;

Detailed up much like the Scherf vehicle just quicker and sloppier;



Fighting compartment floor with raised strips added as a cheats way of hinting at the recessed lifting handle cutouts. I'll bend some wire into small ovals and just stick these on top of them in the coming days to finish the illusion;


Gun sitting in its mount with breech travel lock in place. Again very rough but under paint and through the hatch should be convincing enough;








Also cobbled up the roof with some detail and the side wall ammo racks from styrene tube with U-Channel holders all stuck to a .10 thou backing plate to fill the empty walls. Not pretty but hopefully effective under paint and in the gloom;


And seen with gun, mount and floor;


Will hopefully throw some paint on it tomorrow night...

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Joined: August 31st, 2011, 9:10 am

August 31st, 2011, 9:10 am #3

Hi James
Nice groupbuild and very nice models and nice to see you model again..the king is back
I just wanted to add some more info regarding the bridge you mentioned.
One Jagdtiger wanted to pass the stone bridge in Waidhofen , but was trapped, cause the bridge was too narrow. They had to blow off the tracks on one side with a Pz-Faust. Then another JT could tow him away from the bridge. It was hot temper around cause the JT blocked the bridge and traffic jam was created and troops wanted as fast a possible over that bridge.
Here is a pic of the towing bracket if it helps
Cheers
Mirko

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August 31st, 2011, 3:57 pm #4

Thanks Mirko - certainly not the most precise build I've ever done, but its fun again to throw a quick one together and make the hobby enjoyable before we got too bogged down in 100% accuracy grinding us to a standstill...

Appreciate the 2 pics of Kubinka's Final Production version too showing the pintle and the ribbed fenders both of which I definitely plan to incorporate on this one which was from the same batch.

Thanks also for the info on that bridge incident though its hard to tell whether that one is my vehicle of another as they had quite a few bridge problems I gather.

Mine - "Sonny Boy" was commanded by Flwbl. Golinski (also part of the mixed SS/WH 4 JT KG as per Ray's one) and on May 1, 1945 along the the St.Polten-Linz road near Amstetten where it apparently according to KHM's 653 book says it just "broke down at the bridge crossing the Ybbs and had to remain behind. The crew climbed aboard the other tank destroyers. Despite a roadblock in Amstetten, we succeeded in bypassing the marketplace, which was already occupied by Americans and Russians. The march continued to Strengberg." From that I imply it was a mechanical break down not being physically wedged or jammed? He says many JTs were destroyed in Rosenheim and Bad Aibling due to "mechanical problems". Those that soldeiered on made in to Lake Amm near Eterschlagg and destroyed the remainder there.

So I think your account is perhaps another one as 2 days later he mentions a JT has a thrown track and blocks a bridge again across the Ybbs near Weidhoffen which sounds much more like what you are describing?

There is also this one too - the lead vehicle from 2.653 commanded by Lt. Rudolf Braun, which on April 30 or May 1 fell through a rail bridge over the Werks Canal at Mangfall/Kolbermoor on the way to Rosenheim and remained there until the Americans dragged it out a few months later and it was cut up for scrap by locals in Mangfall 1-2 years later. Amazingly no one was injured as all the crew except the driver were riding outside it and jumped clear somehow? Would love to know where to and how and how cold and wet they got...?

I'd definitely love have a go at this great scene one day if I could just master how to do fast flowing water like that convincingly...
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August 31st, 2011, 4:17 pm #5

Taking a break from the other much more involved 512 Jagdtiger build with the full interior, I made a start on my second much simpler exterior-only one this weekend which I'll do up as "Sunny Boy" from the 4 vehicle mixed SS/WH Kampfgruppe from 653 (that Kubinka's present day museum survivor was part of). They were apparently dispatched from the factory in the closing days of the war and operated near Strengberg in southern Austria. I've chosen to use Dragon's 9036 late production kit for this one as it has all the final features of this batch and if nothing else will be an interesting JT build comparo between DML and Tamiya's varying approaches. As it only comes with indi-link Transport Track and no skirts I've used the spare rubber band wider battle tracks left over from Tamiya's kit, as well as the sideskirts I also didn't use which will hide most of these less well detailed tracks which works out well;


This vehicle apparently broke down on the Ybbs River bridge and had to be dragged out of the way. I'll use Kubinka's as a guide to its features and look - though its under very heavy camo net and foliage cover, so hard to see too much at all which will make the build a little bit easier than the other one with any luck...I just have to find a convincing way to do the ropey looking cam net.

Another similar one wearing this net but no skirts;


Anyway this is the only known shot of "Sunny Boy" showing the nickname on the mantlet, and what may well be the hint of a black standing teddy bear logo similar to the one seen with the GI and Russian posing on one of the Strengberg vehicles?;



For comparison the Strengberg link-up Teddy Bear Jaggie with its much clearer mascot emblem:


10 or 12 years ago I posted on ML wondering whether these bears had any significance in terms of a hierarchy in the KG or a callsign alternative, or whether they were just random whimsical affectations of the crews? Sadly it seems it still remains a mystery. There is definitely this sitting bear we know of, "Sunny Boy" may as mentioned sport a standing bear, and the one in the background of the link-up shots seems to maybe have a white Polar Bear perhaps? So what they mean, if anything, we may sadly never know...

Of interest too is an item Ray Blythe spotted in the shaggy camo net and thought could perhaps be a small step ladder, but after a lot of peering and test fitting its what I'm fairly sure now appears to be a wooden chair unusually wedged into the C-Hook on the front LHS (sourced from the old Tamiya Ger. Inf. at Rest set);


Heres the photo resting on the hull to allow a quick comparison of my effort to replicate it;


Haven't made a vast amount of progress past wheels and tracks yet - really only detailed the back plate up so far which will probably still be visible and not be buried in foliage and net. Brief list of things done were;
* Pushed the heel of a knife blade along the centre exhaust pipe flange to simulate the 2 halves, and added 4 bolts to top of it from sliced rod
* Added the empty C-Hook brackets from rod and strip with accompanying wingnuts and rivets and hung a Tamiya jerrycan off one with a .005 thou spacer in it
* Cut the brackets off the C-Hooks themselves and added them to the front towing eyes and U-Bolts
* Added casting numbers to the tow hitch and exhaust guards from Slaters plastic and Royal p-e no.s
* Added the missing lifting lugs to the exhaust guards from rod and the bolt tabs from strip
* Added an Aber p-e chain to starter crank tube
* Added a 40 link per inch chain to the tow hitch pin with a tow cable end from Nordland in place for the cable to be added later
* Added wingnuts to the mudguard flaps as well as the retainer spring pin ends and handles from rod & strip, plus detailed the inner face of the RHS one which I've bent back
* Undercut the top edge of the moulded on distance light and added a fine brass wire conduit for it
* Scribed in the oxy-cut edges of the armour plates
* Added 2 pair of Model Kasten links behind exhaust pipes
* Removed moulded on though bevelled kit skirt lugs on last 2 sections on RHS and replaced with Model Kasten ones



























Two on the go should well and truly keep me on my toes for the next month I'd say...
Sadly only a quick update as didn't get much time on it tonight afterall;

Rough handles on the floor bins which with a bit of dirt and crud on the floor will hopefully not be too obvious;


Cut 2 small sections of balsa and drllled them with a 1/8 bit to house the last of the Armorscale projectiles which were left over from the other one;


Made up the wire ring retainers for them using a basic jig. They should be 3 deep but given the limited number of shells I had, the gloom and the tight fit I cut them back to 2 more to hint at them than be 100% right. The jig is simply two bits of .80 thou styrene rod glued into a scrap of balsa wood. The wire is simply looped around the first, then the second, then back down the other side again with a dab of glue needed on the first ring and the last side to keep them parallel. Rough but should be effective enough hopefully;





Little bit of detail added to the front & RHS walls with a bit more to do;


Pretty much finished FC floor, ammo racks & gun/mount;



So a tiny bit more for the RH wall and P&D discs for the back ends of the cases etc. and paint shouldn't be far off...
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August 31st, 2011, 4:19 pm #6

Thanks Mirko - certainly not the most precise build I've ever done, but its fun again to throw a quick one together and make the hobby enjoyable before we got too bogged down in 100% accuracy grinding us to a standstill...

Appreciate the 2 pics of Kubinka's Final Production version too showing the pintle and the ribbed fenders both of which I definitely plan to incorporate on this one which was from the same batch.

Thanks also for the info on that bridge incident though its hard to tell whether that one is my vehicle of another as they had quite a few bridge problems I gather.

Mine - "Sonny Boy" was commanded by Flwbl. Golinski (also part of the mixed SS/WH 4 JT KG as per Ray's one) and on May 1, 1945 along the the St.Polten-Linz road near Amstetten where it apparently according to KHM's 653 book says it just "broke down at the bridge crossing the Ybbs and had to remain behind. The crew climbed aboard the other tank destroyers. Despite a roadblock in Amstetten, we succeeded in bypassing the marketplace, which was already occupied by Americans and Russians. The march continued to Strengberg." From that I imply it was a mechanical break down not being physically wedged or jammed? He says many JTs were destroyed in Rosenheim and Bad Aibling due to "mechanical problems". Those that soldeiered on made in to Lake Amm near Eterschlagg and destroyed the remainder there.

So I think your account is perhaps another one as 2 days later he mentions a JT has a thrown track and blocks a bridge again across the Ybbs near Weidhoffen which sounds much more like what you are describing?

There is also this one too - the lead vehicle from 2.653 commanded by Lt. Rudolf Braun, which on April 30 or May 1 fell through a rail bridge over the Werks Canal at Mangfall/Kolbermoor on the way to Rosenheim and remained there until the Americans dragged it out a few months later and it was cut up for scrap by locals in Mangfall 1-2 years later. Amazingly no one was injured as all the crew except the driver were riding outside it and jumped clear somehow? Would love to know where to and how and how cold and wet they got...?

I'd definitely love have a go at this great scene one day if I could just master how to do fast flowing water like that convincingly...
Hi James
Sorry I might have mixed it up with two other JT in Waidhofen - sorry !!
Glad you enjoy to build again
Precise or not..its like sex..dont need to be precise, just more important is that the feeling is there
cheers
Mirko
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September 1st, 2011, 7:17 am #7

Taking a break from the other much more involved 512 Jagdtiger build with the full interior, I made a start on my second much simpler exterior-only one this weekend which I'll do up as "Sunny Boy" from the 4 vehicle mixed SS/WH Kampfgruppe from 653 (that Kubinka's present day museum survivor was part of). They were apparently dispatched from the factory in the closing days of the war and operated near Strengberg in southern Austria. I've chosen to use Dragon's 9036 late production kit for this one as it has all the final features of this batch and if nothing else will be an interesting JT build comparo between DML and Tamiya's varying approaches. As it only comes with indi-link Transport Track and no skirts I've used the spare rubber band wider battle tracks left over from Tamiya's kit, as well as the sideskirts I also didn't use which will hide most of these less well detailed tracks which works out well;


This vehicle apparently broke down on the Ybbs River bridge and had to be dragged out of the way. I'll use Kubinka's as a guide to its features and look - though its under very heavy camo net and foliage cover, so hard to see too much at all which will make the build a little bit easier than the other one with any luck...I just have to find a convincing way to do the ropey looking cam net.

Another similar one wearing this net but no skirts;


Anyway this is the only known shot of "Sunny Boy" showing the nickname on the mantlet, and what may well be the hint of a black standing teddy bear logo similar to the one seen with the GI and Russian posing on one of the Strengberg vehicles?;



For comparison the Strengberg link-up Teddy Bear Jaggie with its much clearer mascot emblem:


10 or 12 years ago I posted on ML wondering whether these bears had any significance in terms of a hierarchy in the KG or a callsign alternative, or whether they were just random whimsical affectations of the crews? Sadly it seems it still remains a mystery. There is definitely this sitting bear we know of, "Sunny Boy" may as mentioned sport a standing bear, and the one in the background of the link-up shots seems to maybe have a white Polar Bear perhaps? So what they mean, if anything, we may sadly never know...

Of interest too is an item Ray Blythe spotted in the shaggy camo net and thought could perhaps be a small step ladder, but after a lot of peering and test fitting its what I'm fairly sure now appears to be a wooden chair unusually wedged into the C-Hook on the front LHS (sourced from the old Tamiya Ger. Inf. at Rest set);


Heres the photo resting on the hull to allow a quick comparison of my effort to replicate it;


Haven't made a vast amount of progress past wheels and tracks yet - really only detailed the back plate up so far which will probably still be visible and not be buried in foliage and net. Brief list of things done were;
* Pushed the heel of a knife blade along the centre exhaust pipe flange to simulate the 2 halves, and added 4 bolts to top of it from sliced rod
* Added the empty C-Hook brackets from rod and strip with accompanying wingnuts and rivets and hung a Tamiya jerrycan off one with a .005 thou spacer in it
* Cut the brackets off the C-Hooks themselves and added them to the front towing eyes and U-Bolts
* Added casting numbers to the tow hitch and exhaust guards from Slaters plastic and Royal p-e no.s
* Added the missing lifting lugs to the exhaust guards from rod and the bolt tabs from strip
* Added an Aber p-e chain to starter crank tube
* Added a 40 link per inch chain to the tow hitch pin with a tow cable end from Nordland in place for the cable to be added later
* Added wingnuts to the mudguard flaps as well as the retainer spring pin ends and handles from rod & strip, plus detailed the inner face of the RHS one which I've bent back
* Undercut the top edge of the moulded on distance light and added a fine brass wire conduit for it
* Scribed in the oxy-cut edges of the armour plates
* Added 2 pair of Model Kasten links behind exhaust pipes
* Removed moulded on though bevelled kit skirt lugs on last 2 sections on RHS and replaced with Model Kasten ones



























Two on the go should well and truly keep me on my toes for the next month I'd say...
James,

I know this is a group build and perhaps emphasis is not 100 % (?) on details but I thought I´d share info. on this device perhaps of interest to you and others building a late Jagdtiger version.

As it´s broken on the Kubinka Jagdtiger, Dragon obviously guessed what it actually looked like but I have found an original drawing. The drawing is to big for my scanner so you have to do with my doodle:



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In the post by Mirko in the photo of the Kubinka vehicle you can hint the right side´s handle.

I´m sure more than just the Kubinka vehicle had this device and I´ve found photo evidence of it on s. Pz Jg Abt 512 vehicles as well, perhaps more of this later.

Cheers, Per



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September 1st, 2011, 9:37 am #8

Nice KT Jimmy!

You do know that you dont have to build an interior for all your models, right?

One nit pik, I'm not sure that the red rod is not a touch too small for the starter guide though???

Further to Mirko's and Per's posts, I've taken the liberty of posting a shot of the HD tow hitch attached to a King Tiger, to help illistrate what Per is stating in his......illustration. I'll credit the photo to an ML thread some years ago, but it probably belongs to the allmine club now.



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September 2nd, 2011, 1:11 am #9

James,

I know this is a group build and perhaps emphasis is not 100 % (?) on details but I thought I´d share info. on this device perhaps of interest to you and others building a late Jagdtiger version.

As it´s broken on the Kubinka Jagdtiger, Dragon obviously guessed what it actually looked like but I have found an original drawing. The drawing is to big for my scanner so you have to do with my doodle:



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In the post by Mirko in the photo of the Kubinka vehicle you can hint the right side´s handle.

I´m sure more than just the Kubinka vehicle had this device and I´ve found photo evidence of it on s. Pz Jg Abt 512 vehicles as well, perhaps more of this later.

Cheers, Per


Can't remember if I've glued the centre pin into mine or not, so may or may not be able to change it. But will check when I get home tonight and see what I can do...
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September 2nd, 2011, 1:14 am #10

Nice KT Jimmy!

You do know that you dont have to build an interior for all your models, right?

One nit pik, I'm not sure that the red rod is not a touch too small for the starter guide though???

Further to Mirko's and Per's posts, I've taken the liberty of posting a shot of the HD tow hitch attached to a King Tiger, to help illistrate what Per is stating in his......illustration. I'll credit the photo to an ML thread some years ago, but it probably belongs to the allmine club now.



Sheeds

Yeah the starter crank tube was me simply not checking the instructions properly and assuming they wouldn't have supplied it, and only after finding the smallest tube I had and gluing it on with the chain etc. did I notice it in the kit so I may well swap it out now you've outed me..
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