With the latest round of cuts to the Army,

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With the latest round of cuts to the Army,

Joined: August 13th, 2005, 6:05 pm

July 5th, 2012, 5:57 pm #1

the BBC have pointed out that the total Army numbers, to protect the UK, 60m people and all our various responsibilities around the world, won't even fill Wembley Stadium.

Combined with everything else that is going on in the UK nowadays, we truly have become a third world country!

Graeme
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Joined: July 17th, 2005, 12:22 pm

July 5th, 2012, 6:13 pm #2

... at the moment. REME didn't do too bad in the cuts, -13% manning but will probably be more like -020% when the other Regiment's LAD's close as well. Starting to look forward to my pension!
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Joined: August 13th, 2005, 6:05 pm

July 5th, 2012, 9:10 pm #3

I was - joined REME at Arborfield 73C intake, left in May 87!

Graeme
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Joined: April 24th, 2005, 12:23 am

July 5th, 2012, 10:16 pm #4

... at the moment. REME didn't do too bad in the cuts, -13% manning but will probably be more like -020% when the other Regiment's LAD's close as well. Starting to look forward to my pension!
We had a massive downsizing of RAEME in the 90's where some genius worked out that Civilian industry could do it better. It took Timor, IRAQ , Afghanistan etc to shatter that myth but the damage had been done. When you have the GoC of Materiel Div telling RAEME Warrant Officers that you are an impediment to Army and that you should all resign you know they have no idea. RAEME did 80 % of the work for Timor at 20% of the Cost. They very quickly buried that fact particularly as about a third of the work done was to correct the Civilian stuff.
Good Luck with the extra workload.
Al
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Joined: May 18th, 2004, 2:57 pm

July 5th, 2012, 11:05 pm #5

Right now the US Army wants to shut down the Lima, OH tank plant because they don't want to spend any money on new tanks (actually rebuilds) because they don't need them. They want to mothball it until they have a new tank they want to build.

The problem is that the workers there will have to find other jobs and basically the tank manufacturing expertise will evaporate. No skilled workers will be around to resume production when they want to make the new tank.

Of course, the lawmakers from that district want to keep the plant operational from a job standpoint for their constituents.

It's one of those big bucks decisions; keep it operating and build tanks we don't want or need or shut it down and then in 5-10 years try to stand the plant back up hoping that there is enough expertise remaining to successfully produce new tanks.

RobG
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July 6th, 2012, 12:20 am #6

Forrest Gump said it best, "Stupid is as stupid does."
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July 6th, 2012, 9:13 am #7

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July 6th, 2012, 11:15 am #8

the BBC have pointed out that the total Army numbers, to protect the UK, 60m people and all our various responsibilities around the world, won't even fill Wembley Stadium.

Combined with everything else that is going on in the UK nowadays, we truly have become a third world country!

Graeme
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Last edited by Al Bowie on July 7th, 2012, 6:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
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July 6th, 2012, 11:41 am #9

I don't claim any great expertise on US history but aren't all the non-native people there descended from immigrants of one sort or another? Unless you can trace your ancestors back to pre-Roman times, the same can be said of just about everyone here in the UK and in many other countries. And I hear numerous instances of recent immigrants who are willing to work hard to progress, often by doing the jobs that 'natives' refuse to tackle.

Not sure it's far to blame domestic politicians for that....

Rob
There's nothing cushy about life in the Women's Auxiliary Balloon Corps
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Joined: January 29th, 2006, 7:01 pm

July 6th, 2012, 3:41 pm #10

Forrest Gump said it best, "Stupid is as stupid does."
1) Congress Making Multi-billion Dollar Strategic Investment

or

2) Congress Passes Pork-Barrel Legislation to Keep Big-Union Jobs Safe

or

3) Congress Passes Sweetheart Deal for Fat-Cat Defense Industry Donors

or

4) Socialists Win Again as Goverment Plant Stays Open Making Things We Don't Need or Want

or

5) The One-Percent Wins Again as Contractor-Operated Plant Stays Open Making Things We Don't Need or Want

The correctness or a statement doesn't depend much on the facts of the story, rather on what you were thinking before you even picked up the paper.

My opinion is that tanks (or nuclear submarines or ICBMs - equally or more complex systems in my areas of experience) don't need any particularly non-reproducible skill set to build. To design, yes, but to build, no. As a manufacturing engineer, I view a process that requires a certain person to make it come out correctly as a process that is inherently flawed. It means we don't understand what's going on at a basic level, to the point that we can't even be sure that what the "guy who's been doing it for 20 years" gives us actually does what we want.

KL



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