Which putty for Tamiya zimmerit?

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Which putty for Tamiya zimmerit?

Joined: September 12th, 2011, 11:34 am

August 22nd, 2012, 8:26 am #1

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about taking the BIG step of trying to create zimmerit on my next late Tiger I.

I have decided on the Tamiya raking method with their zimmerit coating applicator, but which putty is the best for this method (i.e. easiest to work with and most accurate)?

I have noticed that Tamiya recommends their Polyester Putty (Item 87097) in the new Elephant kit, so this is currently what I'm planning to use, but any advice would be highly appreciated!

Best regards,
Christian
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 4:36 am

August 22nd, 2012, 9:38 am #2

Hi Christian,
I've experimented with the Tamiya putty, Aves Apoxie, Milliput, and two other 1:1 brands(the containers aren't labeled) of putty for applying zimmerit. To be honest, I got better results from the other products than the Tamiya putty. I like the Aves the best with Milliput at the bottom. I think it's safe to suggest that putties for zimmerit are like airbrushes. It's a personal preference based on your experience with different products. It might be worth your time to get another brand and experiment with the two on plastic stock before trying it on an actual kit.

My $0.02
John
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Joined: January 27th, 2005, 12:07 pm

August 22nd, 2012, 11:13 am #3

Hi,
I rolled out the Milliput as thin as I could then applied it to the hull sides. To get the pattern I used the Modelkasten Zimmerit roller set and it worked a treat.

Regards
Andy K

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Joined: October 18th, 2004, 6:49 pm

August 22nd, 2012, 12:07 pm #4

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about taking the BIG step of trying to create zimmerit on my next late Tiger I.

I have decided on the Tamiya raking method with their zimmerit coating applicator, but which putty is the best for this method (i.e. easiest to work with and most accurate)?

I have noticed that Tamiya recommends their Polyester Putty (Item 87097) in the new Elephant kit, so this is currently what I'm planning to use, but any advice would be highly appreciated!

Best regards,
Christian
Christian,

I would agree with John and Andy. Personally, I use Aves Apoxie Sculpt with Zimmerit dies to press in the pattern in small squares. Zimmerit rakes produce an unrealistic looking Zimmerit pattern. On June 30, 2009, I posted a step by step tutorial on using the Aves product for Zimmerit that will help you out.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/110741/m ... i+tutorial

Regards,

Tom
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Joined: August 4th, 2005, 9:09 am

August 22nd, 2012, 2:39 pm #5

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about taking the BIG step of trying to create zimmerit on my next late Tiger I.

I have decided on the Tamiya raking method with their zimmerit coating applicator, but which putty is the best for this method (i.e. easiest to work with and most accurate)?

I have noticed that Tamiya recommends their Polyester Putty (Item 87097) in the new Elephant kit, so this is currently what I'm planning to use, but any advice would be highly appreciated!

Best regards,
Christian
Hej Cristian

Your name suggest's me that you also are swedish?

I just want to give some info regarding zimmerit pattern on Tigers, to get the most realistic pattern I think one should duplicate how it was done in real.

For Tigers the pattern was made by rollers, zimmerit tools utilising rollers and stamps (in hard to reach areas)for 1/35th scale are made by Lion Roar and Model kasten for example, though most of the wheels and stamps doesn't have the correct "pitch" to get the pattern perfect in scale, it depends how exact you want it.

I and Roddy MacDougall (zimmerit pattern maker for Dragon kits after 2006) have been digging into size on different zimmerit pattern and how to best simulate this on models and get the most realistic look.

I have designed and have had made customized rollers and stamps for vehicles that had "rolled on" zimmerit (Tigers, MAN Panthers for example)in 1/35th scale, some of these has been used for making the pattern for Dragon "pre zimmerited" kits.

I can mention that the last tools designed, has been used on Dragons new Otto Carius Tiger I kit.

If anyone are interested I will post soemthing about the design of the tools, how they where made etc.

Best regards/ Gunnar

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Joined: February 8th, 2005, 1:02 pm

August 22nd, 2012, 3:22 pm #6

Hi Gunnar,

I am interested how you made those tools, etc.

Best regards from Finland =)

Kimmo

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Joined: February 28th, 2005, 12:51 pm

August 22nd, 2012, 3:51 pm #7

Hej Cristian

Your name suggest's me that you also are swedish?

I just want to give some info regarding zimmerit pattern on Tigers, to get the most realistic pattern I think one should duplicate how it was done in real.

For Tigers the pattern was made by rollers, zimmerit tools utilising rollers and stamps (in hard to reach areas)for 1/35th scale are made by Lion Roar and Model kasten for example, though most of the wheels and stamps doesn't have the correct "pitch" to get the pattern perfect in scale, it depends how exact you want it.

I and Roddy MacDougall (zimmerit pattern maker for Dragon kits after 2006) have been digging into size on different zimmerit pattern and how to best simulate this on models and get the most realistic look.

I have designed and have had made customized rollers and stamps for vehicles that had "rolled on" zimmerit (Tigers, MAN Panthers for example)in 1/35th scale, some of these has been used for making the pattern for Dragon "pre zimmerited" kits.

I can mention that the last tools designed, has been used on Dragons new Otto Carius Tiger I kit.

If anyone are interested I will post soemthing about the design of the tools, how they where made etc.

Best regards/ Gunnar
Why would you think we wouldn't be interested? Please post informatioon about tools and/or any other Zimm info you would like to post, be it about applying Zimm or Zimm in WWII.

I frankly was quite disappointed that I couldn't see Roddy's seminar at one of the contests half a world away from my home.

Thanks

Dave Schemel

Improving my modeling one mistake at a time.

www.justplanestuff.net
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August 22nd, 2012, 4:19 pm #8

Hej Cristian

Your name suggest's me that you also are swedish?

I just want to give some info regarding zimmerit pattern on Tigers, to get the most realistic pattern I think one should duplicate how it was done in real.

For Tigers the pattern was made by rollers, zimmerit tools utilising rollers and stamps (in hard to reach areas)for 1/35th scale are made by Lion Roar and Model kasten for example, though most of the wheels and stamps doesn't have the correct "pitch" to get the pattern perfect in scale, it depends how exact you want it.

I and Roddy MacDougall (zimmerit pattern maker for Dragon kits after 2006) have been digging into size on different zimmerit pattern and how to best simulate this on models and get the most realistic look.

I have designed and have had made customized rollers and stamps for vehicles that had "rolled on" zimmerit (Tigers, MAN Panthers for example)in 1/35th scale, some of these has been used for making the pattern for Dragon "pre zimmerited" kits.

I can mention that the last tools designed, has been used on Dragons new Otto Carius Tiger I kit.

If anyone are interested I will post soemthing about the design of the tools, how they where made etc.

Best regards/ Gunnar
Thanks!

Scott Gentry
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Joined: May 20th, 2005, 9:13 pm

August 22nd, 2012, 4:26 pm #9

Hey guys,

I'm thinking about taking the BIG step of trying to create zimmerit on my next late Tiger I.

I have decided on the Tamiya raking method with their zimmerit coating applicator, but which putty is the best for this method (i.e. easiest to work with and most accurate)?

I have noticed that Tamiya recommends their Polyester Putty (Item 87097) in the new Elephant kit, so this is currently what I'm planning to use, but any advice would be highly appreciated!

Best regards,
Christian
..in addition to Toms presentation,over on Track-Link there is another in depth how to and a bit of history by Paul Owen.
http://www.track-link.net/articles/15

Cheers
Mike
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August 22nd, 2012, 4:36 pm #10

Hej Cristian

Your name suggest's me that you also are swedish?

I just want to give some info regarding zimmerit pattern on Tigers, to get the most realistic pattern I think one should duplicate how it was done in real.

For Tigers the pattern was made by rollers, zimmerit tools utilising rollers and stamps (in hard to reach areas)for 1/35th scale are made by Lion Roar and Model kasten for example, though most of the wheels and stamps doesn't have the correct "pitch" to get the pattern perfect in scale, it depends how exact you want it.

I and Roddy MacDougall (zimmerit pattern maker for Dragon kits after 2006) have been digging into size on different zimmerit pattern and how to best simulate this on models and get the most realistic look.

I have designed and have had made customized rollers and stamps for vehicles that had "rolled on" zimmerit (Tigers, MAN Panthers for example)in 1/35th scale, some of these has been used for making the pattern for Dragon "pre zimmerited" kits.

I can mention that the last tools designed, has been used on Dragons new Otto Carius Tiger I kit.

If anyone are interested I will post soemthing about the design of the tools, how they where made etc.

Best regards/ Gunnar
Hej Gunnar,

My name is indeed swedish because my family is. I am actually danish of birth though, but I have lived in Sweden for a number of years, so I consider myself partly swedish!

I really appreciate all the info on zimmerit!!! and I would VERY MUCH like to hear all about the tool design as I am also a complete perfectionist when it comes to modelling! Hell, If feasable I'd propably be mixing the paste myself using the original ingredients

Also thanks for the tip on the Otto Carius Tiger kit, though you kind of screwed up my initial plan of using a plain Tamiya Late Tiger kit. Damn it!!! I have built only Tamiya kits for 30 years and sworn to continue, but those damn DML kits keep coming out better and better trying to lure me to switch sides and join the DML modellers

The first DML Tiger I w. zimmerit didn't look quite right to me (the depressions seemed too deep and the pattern seemed too monotonous and uniformly applied), but judging from the box photos of the Otto Carius Tiger it looks SPOT ON!!!

Best regards,
Christian


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