whatif 17 pder Pershing pt 2

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whatif 17 pder Pershing pt 2

Joined: September 2nd, 2004, 3:35 pm

July 29th, 2012, 10:07 pm #1

Guys
All i did was swap the barrel
left the telephone on the back too
it might need more weathering
and it needs a crew
The markings are
5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards with the
H.Q Northern Ireland formation sign in the middle of the front Glasis
which consists of
St Patricks Cross with the Red Hand of Ulster
For our overseas friends St Patricks Cross is the red x in the Union Jack
All comments welcome
Regards Andrew






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Joined: April 22nd, 2005, 1:05 am

July 30th, 2012, 2:14 am #2

Just wanted to say I am a fan of your Allied What If work.

THanks,
David
Austin, Texas
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Joined: April 19th, 2009, 1:09 am

July 30th, 2012, 11:19 am #3

Guys
All i did was swap the barrel
left the telephone on the back too
it might need more weathering
and it needs a crew
The markings are
5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards with the
H.Q Northern Ireland formation sign in the middle of the front Glasis
which consists of
St Patricks Cross with the Red Hand of Ulster
For our overseas friends St Patricks Cross is the red x in the Union Jack
All comments welcome
Regards Andrew






turret. Nice build Andrew.
Ken
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Joined: January 7th, 2004, 5:17 pm

July 30th, 2012, 2:29 pm #4

Guys
All i did was swap the barrel
left the telephone on the back too
it might need more weathering
and it needs a crew
The markings are
5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards with the
H.Q Northern Ireland formation sign in the middle of the front Glasis
which consists of
St Patricks Cross with the Red Hand of Ulster
For our overseas friends St Patricks Cross is the red x in the Union Jack
All comments welcome
Regards Andrew






Looks great.

I think this would have only come about to standardize ammo, as the 90 mm on the Pershing was as good as, if not better, than the 17 pdr. Having this alongside Cents would surely have kept toe-to-toe with the 1946 Panzers.

A couple of suggestions in keeping with this being done in the UK to existing Pershings:

1. I think they would have eliminated the hull MG. Even though there would probably be enough room for ammo storage without doing that (1 assume 17 pdr rounds are not longer than 90mm rounds), Firefly crews who transferred to this beast would be used to no hull machine gunner, and they probably would have just used the space for more ammo storage.

2. The Brits would probably add more storage boxes, perhaps one on the rear of the turret like the Sherman box (not the w/t box, the other one). Probably add Brit style fire extinguishers as well.

Chuck

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Joined: April 19th, 2009, 1:09 am

July 30th, 2012, 11:43 pm #5

Andrew and I have built the 17pdr. Pershing as if the U.S. Army had adopted the licensed mfgr. of the 17pdr.. as was offered by the Brits early in the war. The stupid Ordnance and Armored Boards told them no.
Ken
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July 31st, 2012, 12:05 pm #6

The U.S. doctrine at the time was that tanks supported infantry, and tank destroyers battled tanks. The 75mm HE round was no worse than the 17 pdr HE round (maybe even better), so there was no advantage. Of course, the doctrine was proved wrong, which resulted in the Pershing, but by then they had the 90 mm, so they didn't need the 17 pdr.

I was confused - your tank has British markings, so I assumed it was a Brit conversion like the Firefly. Anyway, I really like it and feel inspired to try something similar (maybe a widened Churchill with Pershing turret...wait, that's almost a Black Prince).

Chuck

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Former AMPS Boresight Editor
Now just a regular AMPS member
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Joined: January 11th, 2008, 6:42 pm

August 5th, 2012, 10:32 am #7

Hi Chuck you're right about the 75mm HE shell it was in a class of it's own for effectiveness. I think that the relatively low muzzle velocity was a major factor.

The Pershing turret on a widened Churchill would be a better looking vehicle than the Black Prince! It would make a good mirror What If to Andrew's.
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