what color for M1A2 OIF ?

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what color for M1A2 OIF ?

Joined: September 19th, 2005, 9:40 am

July 11th, 2018, 4:50 pm #1

hello
i have to paint a M1A2 SEP abrams in sand of operation iraqui freedom

is there a company (gunze, tamiya, etc ) that produce this color (acrilyc) ?

i want to avoid mixing colors with curious results !

thank you
Michele
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Joined: July 13th, 2004, 1:39 am

July 11th, 2018, 5:21 pm #2

Testors Model Master Sand 1706 (FS33531) is a perfect match for modern sand (CARC Middlestone).  It is also available from Humbrol as Hu:121, Polly-S as P:PCI875, and Gunze Sangyo as GS:H313.  
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Joined: September 19th, 2005, 9:40 am

July 11th, 2018, 5:31 pm #3

Thank you Gino
I shall try Gunze Sangyo H313
Gunze Acqueous color is the brand i mainly use
bye
michele (from italy)
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Joined: April 18th, 2018, 8:20 am

July 12th, 2018, 8:45 am #4

I second Gino, the Testor sand is perfect directly from the bottle and you can find it in acrylic and enamel (usefull for drybrushing)!

In other way it looks too dark and too yellow for Gulf War 1 , i'm not sure if the sand colour changed in the 90's!
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July 12th, 2018, 12:27 pm #5

Stephane HERVE wrote:In other way it looks too dark and too yellow for Gulf War 1 , i'm not sure if the sand colour changed in the 90's!
Yes, it did, sort of.  Most vehicles that took part in OP Desert Shield/Storm ('90-'91) were originally in NATO camo and were quickly repainted as they arrived in Saudi Arabia before they rolled out to the desert.  The paint used was not an FS standard color though.  Most of it was a locally bought in Saudi and was a sandy-colored paint.  There were different shades and it didn't stick very well.  Many of the vehicles had heavily pealed paint when they returned to Saudi ports to be shipped back to their home stations.  Model Master does a color called Army/Marine Gulf Armor Sand (4812) that is a pretty good match to the color(s) used then.
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Joined: May 18th, 2004, 2:57 pm

July 12th, 2018, 3:17 pm #6

I'll second Gino's comments about the colors of sand used in Desert Storm. Some of 2AD's vehicles looked downright pink compared to the yellower stuff used by 1st Cav. The ODS stuff looked a lot paler than the stuff we used later in the 90s to repaint the vehicles. But that could have been due to fading in the hot Persian Gulf and Texas sun. Standing between to tanks in the motor pool on a sunny July day was almost like being microwaved.
RobG
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July 12th, 2018, 3:22 pm #7

thanks Gino and Rob.
I used X-tra colour enamel US Army sand for my models during GW1. It was too a great colour  but it needed to mix a bit of white due to wheathering process.
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Joined: October 25th, 2003, 8:50 pm

July 12th, 2018, 11:38 pm #8

When I was at Ft. Stewart ‘88-‘90 with 24th ID (mech) our vehicles were painted “sand” or “desert” as our mission was in the Middle East.
The “sand” color used now looks nothing like the current colors and I’d agree with Gino and Robin with their Model master choice.
Dan
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Joined: September 19th, 2005, 9:40 am

July 13th, 2018, 5:41 am #9

hello
on AK interactive site i found this color

AK 122 OIF & OEF - US VEHICLES BASE COLOR
described with this note:
" ......American army has used various colours for its desert vehicles, but the most important and used by all is the Federal Standard FS 33446......

also defined as : CARC TAN 686A FS 33446

Michele
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Joined: August 3rd, 2016, 11:10 pm

July 14th, 2018, 6:14 pm #10

Michele Novara wrote: hello
on AK interactive site i found this color

AK 122 OIF & OEF - US VEHICLES BASE COLOR
described with this note:
" ......American army has used various colours for its desert vehicles, but the most important and used by all is the Federal Standard FS 33446......

also defined as : CARC TAN 686A FS 33446

Michele
FS 33446 Tan 686A was only used early on.
During the more recent conflicts (OIF, OEF) FS 33531 Sand (or sometimes Middle Stone) came into use which has a much more red/pink hue like Robin and Gino described it.

See also this topic from 2013.
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