Another oddity to ID -

Joined: April 22nd, 2005, 9:18 pm

September 15th, 2018, 9:01 pm #1

Hi
Looks like an ARV (captured) -  view at 5.53 :

https://film.iwmcollections.org.uk/record/831

Cheers
Andrew
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Joined: April 27th, 2005, 6:41 pm

September 15th, 2018, 9:48 pm #2

Not really. It's a grosser Funk- und Befehlswagen 38 H (f). Some allied ordenance crew with too much time on their hands apparently decided to fit it with a crane. 
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Joined: March 12th, 2004, 7:09 pm

September 15th, 2018, 10:45 pm #3

That is Sgt Christie wandering  into shot at 4:58. Wilkes (who shot the film) caught him and you can see his camera right at the start. 

Sgt Christie     july 18.jpg I checked but can not find a  matching still photo in that series (B7510 -B7522).   B7514-15 shows the gap in the wall though. 

Note the Crabs have white turret-tops  

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Christie  can also be seen during EPSOM (27-6-44) in this film at 1:52

Sgt Christie b.jpg

https://film.iwmcollections.org.uk/record/4745
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Joined: April 22nd, 2005, 9:18 pm

September 16th, 2018, 10:35 am #4

Hi
Isn't there a kit of some of the base vehicle already?  I think it's an OP with that slanted armour - Bronco possibly or ICM?

Cheers
Andrew
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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:07 pm

September 16th, 2018, 11:29 am #5

AT. What do you mean by OP- observation post ? 

As Neil’s stated it’s grosser Funk- und Befehllswagen 38 H (f). The slanted armour is irrelevant.

The briefest of Google’s brings up the below. The lower kit is Trumpeter version.
Regards
Andrew
PS it even identifies it as a Hotchkiss converted to an ARV in the info panel below the film. 

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Großer_ ... er_38H(f)y
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Joined: April 22nd, 2005, 9:18 pm

September 16th, 2018, 12:31 pm #6

Hi
Thanks, I just hadn't seen there was some text below !   Interesting project all round.

Cheers
Andrew
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September 16th, 2018, 3:29 pm #7

I think in the normandy 2 panzerwrecks is a more detailled picture of the grosser funk und befehlswagen, didnt know there was a kit of this one!
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Joined: July 7th, 2005, 2:21 pm

September 18th, 2018, 2:29 pm #8

I don't know the source of the name "grosser funk und befehlswagen".  Alfred Becker called it "Beobachtungs-Panzer / Hotchkiss".
BeobPzHotchkiss.jpg
Akira Takiguchi - http://www.history.jp/wehrmacht/
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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:07 pm

September 18th, 2018, 3:00 pm #9

Akira Takiguchi wrote: I don't know the source of the name "grosser funk und befehlswagen".  Alfred Becker called it "Beobachtungs-Panzer / Hotchkiss".
Thanks for posting. 
Are those two different vehicles?  In The left hand photo the vehicle appears to have a vision slit on the left side of the zmG cupola housing and over head hatches. These don’t seem visible on the vehicle in the right photo.

Regards 
Andrew 
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Joined: November 22nd, 2005, 7:07 pm

September 18th, 2018, 4:45 pm #10

Andrew, is the "vision slit" not in fact the top of a periscope ? If you look at the first pic posted it is more clear. This would certainly explain the lack of a slit on the side of the mg position. Alan
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