Churchiil Mk.VII in Winter Camu

Joined: May 20th, 2013, 7:56 pm

August 12th, 2018, 5:26 am #1

Hi All,

I'm building the new Tamiya 1/48 Churchill Mk.VII, and I saw this pictures searching for Internet:



(Picture taken from the website https://www.worldwarphotos.info/)

I would like to paint this way, I have two questions:

Is it correct this location?

What unit is this?

Any information on this one?

Thanks in advanced.

Best Regards,
Joaquin Gª Gazquez
www.panzermodelling.com
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August 12th, 2018, 2:39 pm #2

Hi
Location is probably correct.  Note the lack of white camo on the top guards or rear deck.

Cheers
Andrew
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August 12th, 2018, 3:29 pm #3

Hallo Joaquin,
the area in question does exist ... http://www.citypopulation.de/php/german ... 70008_0E42
Look up Heinsberg, just South of Roermond.
As this was an American sector that rubbed shoulders with the British, I'll go for a Crocodile tank unit - the 1st Fife & Forfar Yeomanry, 79th Armd Div.

All the best with your model,
Gareth
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August 12th, 2018, 4:59 pm #4

It is not the south but on the east side of Roermond. It is my hometown.... This was not a American sector but British. End of february it was switched to the Americans.
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August 12th, 2018, 8:05 pm #5

OK. Frans, to split hairs, let's try S.S.E. of Roermond. I guess I've just never spent all those happy weekends in the region ...
The U.S. 9th Army initiated Operation Grenade on the 23rd of Febuary, which to remind you, is a bit nippy in these parts.They also on occasion borrowed Brit (crocodile) armour, a fact that you may well wish to dispute ... if you please.
As for the landscape, well of course, that's nothing but a camouflage of polystyrene foam … fiendishly spread about to confuse the censor.
On close inspection the "Churchills" are in fact M3A3 76mm U.S. Shermans, you can clearly see the technicolor star spangled banners adorning the turrets … if, of course, you look hard enough 😉
Gareth
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Air intakes and FB

August 12th, 2018, 8:56 pm #6

Joaquin G. Gazquez wrote: Hi All,

I'm building the new Tamiya 1/48 Churchill Mk.VII, and I saw this pictures searching for

Not sure how much you want to add to the kit but Lu has done a great SBS on adding some details to this kit in the 1/48 Facebook group. Worth a look. 

Also Notice this tank has covered air intakes 

Regards
andrew 
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Joined: April 9th, 2018, 3:00 pm

August 13th, 2018, 10:56 am #7

Hi Gareth, in 1945, the Brits and US soldiers fight together in many occasions in this area.Roermond was liberated by the Americans of the 30th infantry division and Heinsberg area by the British.
The tanks on that picture are Churchill Mk VII tanks. In Geilenkirchen not far from that area, the US troops made use of the Crocodiles and Sherman Crab flail tanks from the 79th armoured division.
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August 13th, 2018, 2:42 pm #8

Hallo Frans, seriously now ... I just found out that the allied lines were officially shifted as early as the 4th Febuary, which could well place the crocodile troop around the time of Op Blackcock (14th - 16th Jan). https://dirkdeklein.net/2017/01/14/oper ... -triangle/
Heinsberg being cleared by the K.O.S.B. As for the unit in question, they could belong to the 79th armoured or it's attached 31st (independent) tank brigade.
Here's a pdf on the American viewpoint: http://www.coulthart.com/134/aa-35-arty ... 45-feb.pdf
If you like, you might want to have a read of this as well: https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/US ... ast-8.html
I think we can at least agree that at this time, there was a lot of address changing for all concerned.

Joaquin, a detail you might like to leave off your model is the section(s) of trackguard alongside the turret. These were deliberately removed because if damaged and bent upward, they would prevent the turret from turning.
I'll mime "bye-bye" with this "silent movie" from YouTube 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuXtP1GUbo

HTH,
Gareth
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Joined: May 20th, 2013, 7:56 pm

August 13th, 2018, 4:17 pm #9

Hi All,

First of all, thank you for your interest, comments, answers, pictures and the outstanding video.

I'm building the new Tamiya 1/48 Churchill Mk.VII:







I want to make a good model, I saw the picture, and I like to paint it like this, but I didn't want to invent the unit, make it coherent.

But I see that it is not possible, the Churchill of the 79th were for special missions, AVRE and Crocodiles, so it can't be from this unit.

Gareth, thanks for your input about the fender, but I can't do it, it's major surgery, and impossible to do it.

Finally, I think I will do the version that Tamiya proposes in its box.



It's a pitty but I don't like to do a fake version.

Thanks again and Best Regards.
Joaquin Gª Gazquez
www.panzermodelling.com
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August 14th, 2018, 3:26 pm #10

Nice model Joaquin.
Gareth, thanks for the information. I have several books in the Dutch language, and after reading them yesterday, I must say you are right.
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