Update on Cyber Hobby "Carius" kit...

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Update on Cyber Hobby "Carius" kit...

Joined: May 26th, 2004, 5:32 pm

May 23rd, 2012, 10:33 am #1

Some questions were answered by CH today. It seems the kit is very much dedicated to representing the Tiger "217" that Carius commanded at Malinovka. Those who want to convert it to some other Mid Tiger will need more than decals.

The only Zimmerit mantlet in the kit will be the Tiger (P) "flat" mantlet. This was very rare in late 1944 and "217" was therefore an unusual Tiger.

Furthermore, the only tracks in the kit will be the "flat" early type. The original tracks of "217" were replaced at some time in the summer of '44 and this is what it carried at Malinovka, as evidenced in this photo;



This fact came to light only 2 days ago, thanks to research at TIIF.DE.

David
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Joined: December 15th, 2003, 2:58 pm

May 23rd, 2012, 6:40 pm #2

i just read the research thread with a combination of interest, admiration and awe

amazing what you guys manage to pull together and present for the rest of us

one question: will the tank have zimmerit as if straight from the factory ie with none of the damage etc as evidenced in your thread? i guess even if DML wanted to do that (unlikely), it's too late now?

if so, would you be able to summarize any obvious areas where the zimm needs to be "chipped off"?

many thanks

Nick Mayhew
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May 23rd, 2012, 6:51 pm #3

The kit will have an undamaged coat of new Zimmerit. I've seen the relevant parts.

The front upper plate seems to have about 80% of the Zimmerit missing; the Russians must have been hoping to hit the driver with MG fire. The mantlet appears almost undamaged. There are a few large patches knocked off the hull and turret sides; they can be seen in this photo;



I'll mail you a large copy if needed.

David
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May 23rd, 2012, 6:58 pm #4

re the MG fire - was this a common thing in your opinion? Also, would the vision block not negate any MG fire anyway?

cheers

Nick
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May 23rd, 2012, 7:07 pm #5

the photo is still up in the TIIF discussion of 217. I have a magazine that prints it; the quality is no better.

I've not studied patterns of Zimmerit damage. That could be interesting and time-consuming!

The Russians may not have known about the glass block within the vision port.

David
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May 23rd, 2012, 7:51 pm #6

....About that TIIF discussion is that several times it is said that the whitewashed 217 picture was taken during 43/44 winter AND that it was Otto Carius tank.
We know Carius had 213 until it had to be abandoned and then destroyed after the famous "cupola shot" on April 20 '44. Then much probably he received a Mid Tiger numbered 217 and kept it until he was badly wounded on July 24 and his career as a Tiger commander ended.
So the whitewashed 217 picture must be taken during autumn/winter 44, when it was Carius Tiger no more.
Am I missing something?
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May 23rd, 2012, 8:10 pm #7

it would have been received by the unit in January or February 1944 along with many other, very similar, Tigers. The whitewash and the small black digits are typical of the Narva campaign that followed. The lack of snow in this photo



suggests it was taken in the spring of 1944, before the tank was repainted for the summer.

So, when Carius got the tank, it had already been used by another commander.

David
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May 23rd, 2012, 8:13 pm #8

....That makes sense
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May 23rd, 2012, 10:28 pm #9

Some questions were answered by CH today. It seems the kit is very much dedicated to representing the Tiger "217" that Carius commanded at Malinovka. Those who want to convert it to some other Mid Tiger will need more than decals.

The only Zimmerit mantlet in the kit will be the Tiger (P) "flat" mantlet. This was very rare in late 1944 and "217" was therefore an unusual Tiger.

Furthermore, the only tracks in the kit will be the "flat" early type. The original tracks of "217" were replaced at some time in the summer of '44 and this is what it carried at Malinovka, as evidenced in this photo;



This fact came to light only 2 days ago, thanks to research at TIIF.DE.

David
dear david, thank you for support with the tiger tank.
i ordered "mine" carius tiger to CH.-
thank you
sdl
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May 24th, 2012, 12:15 pm #10

The kit will have an undamaged coat of new Zimmerit. I've seen the relevant parts.

The front upper plate seems to have about 80% of the Zimmerit missing; the Russians must have been hoping to hit the driver with MG fire. The mantlet appears almost undamaged. There are a few large patches knocked off the hull and turret sides; they can be seen in this photo;



I'll mail you a large copy if needed.

David
Hi David, just sent you a PM.
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