The French 155mm gun

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The French 155mm gun

Joined: September 9th, 2005, 3:53 am

October 11th, 2005, 7:41 pm #1

The M12 SP gun used in WW2 used leftover American-made French 155mm guns made for the Allies during WW1. I have an M12 kit to build, and I was thinking of using the gun only as a WW1 piece.

1) Was the 155mm gun used on the M12 modified from the original WW1 design?

2) What was the original gun mounted in?

3) What color was it painted?

4) When and where was it used?

Thanks in advance.
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Joined: August 7th, 2004, 11:24 pm

October 12th, 2005, 12:48 am #2

See Ian Hogg's British & American Artillery of World War Two, page 146-147.

US WW2 155 was based on the French Mle 1917GPF and called the M1917, but by WW2, the gun tube & breech had changed -- the US used the French gun to design one of its own. Change calibre from 38 to 45, fewer barrel sections, breech type changed, etc.

The GPF/M1917 was mounted on a two-wheel split-trail carriage. Nothing on the M12 or even the Long Tom is relevant to a WW1 gun, other than maybe modifying the tube & breech.

Hope this helps,
John Ratzenberger
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October 12th, 2005, 1:44 am #3

Well, I guess I'll build the M12 as originally intended. I'll have to get aftermarket tracks though-the kit ones were not the type used with this vehicle.

Would be nice if someone offered WW1 artillery though.
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October 13th, 2005, 12:49 am #4

Tell me about it !!!

I searched & searched & came up with Emhar's 18-pdr QF. And it is memorable only for its uniqueness ....

John
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October 14th, 2005, 11:17 pm #5

Well, I guess I'll build the M12 as originally intended. I'll have to get aftermarket tracks though-the kit ones were not the type used with this vehicle.

Would be nice if someone offered WW1 artillery though.
Sorry, I was thinking the pure 155 Long Tom. A kind gentleman has corrected me. The M12 did use old 1917 GPF, so you could use the barrel for 1 WW1 version. The refernece I gave you does provide good pictures of the M1917 version so that much is useful.

Anad another gentleman has given me www.landships.freeservers.com as a source for WW1 artillery info and says to see the kit reviews & links ...

Sorry for bad info -- hope I caught you in time,

John
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October 15th, 2005, 5:59 pm #6

The M12 SP gun used in WW2 used leftover American-made French 155mm guns made for the Allies during WW1. I have an M12 kit to build, and I was thinking of using the gun only as a WW1 piece.

1) Was the 155mm gun used on the M12 modified from the original WW1 design?

2) What was the original gun mounted in?

3) What color was it painted?

4) When and where was it used?

Thanks in advance.
Now then-does the 155mm gun on the Academy kit mimic the WW1 version, or is it postwar?
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October 16th, 2005, 1:11 am #7

Checking my M12 kit vs the photos in the Hogg book I ref'd earlier, yes.

The cradle assembled in step 13 and the breech & barrel assembled in step 14 appear to be the WW1 version as depicted in Hogg.

John
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October 18th, 2005, 11:59 pm #8

is the ADV/Azimut M12 Update Set (try Mission Models).

This is resin & PE that primarily offers a resin cradle, barrel, breech & associated parts.

John
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