Shermans

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Shermans

Joined: October 21st, 2007, 7:52 pm

February 28th, 2008, 2:43 pm #1

Can anyone tell me what a 'Dry' Sherman is, and what a 'Wet' Sherman is?

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Joined: May 7th, 2005, 11:54 am

February 28th, 2008, 3:02 pm #2

Darrin,

One is sitting out in the rain.

No, just kidding. It refers to the way ammunition was stowed inside the tank. The "wet" stowage had the ammo stored in cases that were surrounded by something along the lines of anti-freeze. The idea was, if the ammo bin was penetrated, the anti-freeze would pour over the ammo and prevent fires. It was apparently pretty successful. It was used on:

M4A3 75 late (sometimes called M4A3 75w, the w meaning wet)...the type with the 47 degree angled glacis.

It was also used on all of the 76mm armed Shermans (M4A1 76w, M4A2 76w, M4A3 76w).

I believe those were the only variants that had the wet stowage. The later M4A2 w/47 degree glacis still had dry stowage, which was why it was still fitted with the extra applique plates on the outside.

I'm sure if I've omitted something or gotten something wrong, Roy chow or another Shermaholic will chime in......in the future, though, you might want to post such a question in the allied forum. This forum is more for "Tricks and Tips", such as "how do you remove paint, how do you get decals not to 'shine', etc.".

Rob
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Joined: October 21st, 2007, 7:52 pm

February 28th, 2008, 6:41 pm #3

Thanks for that Rob,

I am now enlightened
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Joined: February 22nd, 2001, 4:07 am

February 29th, 2008, 3:54 pm #4

Can anyone tell me what a 'Dry' Sherman is, and what a 'Wet' Sherman is?

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This might help Darrin:
http://usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/Sherma ... iants.html

Rob nails it pretty much on the head. As you may know, the Shermans originally had the 75mm gun with its ammo load in bins located in the sponsons. Later on, units in the field and then the manufacturers started to add applique armor patches onto these sensitive areas of the hull.

The glycol filled lockers were developed to be an additional protective measure against fires (and explosions) from pierced ammo lockers. The M4A3 75mm (late 47 degree hull) had these.

All the 76mm gunned tanks had these as well. They also happened to relocate their bins to the tank's floor, beneath the turret basket. This shielded the 76mm shells even a bit more.

The 105mm Howitzer tanks (M4 and M4A3) had old style "dry" racks and no applique armor either.

Roy Chow
AMPS 1st Vice President
2008 International Show Chairman
April 10-12, 2008. Auburn, IN
www.amps-armor.org
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Joined: May 7th, 2005, 11:54 am

March 1st, 2008, 1:11 pm #5

...his Sherman cape flapping in the breeze, coming to the rescue to add even a bit more Sherman knowledge.

Hey Roy, unfortunately I won't be at AMPS this year, otherwise I'd definitely try to find you and introduce myself, since we've had a number of 'net "conversations". Maybe next year. Have fun!

Rob
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Joined: October 21st, 2007, 7:52 pm

March 1st, 2008, 2:44 pm #6

This might help Darrin:
http://usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/Sherma ... iants.html

Rob nails it pretty much on the head. As you may know, the Shermans originally had the 75mm gun with its ammo load in bins located in the sponsons. Later on, units in the field and then the manufacturers started to add applique armor patches onto these sensitive areas of the hull.

The glycol filled lockers were developed to be an additional protective measure against fires (and explosions) from pierced ammo lockers. The M4A3 75mm (late 47 degree hull) had these.

All the 76mm gunned tanks had these as well. They also happened to relocate their bins to the tank's floor, beneath the turret basket. This shielded the 76mm shells even a bit more.

The 105mm Howitzer tanks (M4 and M4A3) had old style "dry" racks and no applique armor either.

Roy Chow
AMPS 1st Vice President
2008 International Show Chairman
April 10-12, 2008. Auburn, IN
www.amps-armor.org
Thanks Roy,

Greatly appreciated.

Darrin
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