Question: Panzer II artillery Observation Vehicle??? by Mark Nassim

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Question: Panzer II artillery Observation Vehicle??? by Mark Nassim

Joined: June 11th, 2006, 8:26 am

June 25th, 2012, 9:42 pm #1

Hey Mark,

Just found this, so I made a new topic
Look at the 4th posting, it seems it was based on an ausf F
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 74&start=0



Hope this helps

Eddy
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Joined: October 18th, 2004, 6:49 pm

June 26th, 2012, 1:52 am #2

Eddy,

I wonder where they got the information that there were artillery observation Panzer II's? According to Panzer Tracts, there were none.

Regards,

Tom

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Joined: June 11th, 2006, 8:26 am

June 26th, 2012, 6:38 am #3

Hello Tom,

In W. Spielberger band 2 it is mentioned and the picture I posted is part of a bigger one in that volume, here you can see 2 Hummels preparing.
The text with the picture says: As beobachtungs/feuerleitpanzer of the panzer artillery Panzer II where used sparsely with added radio equipment. They have a frame antenna over the engine deck.

Eddy
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Joined: May 25th, 2005, 8:46 am

June 26th, 2012, 9:35 am #4

Hey Mark,

Just found this, so I made a new topic
Look at the 4th posting, it seems it was based on an ausf F
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 74&start=0



Hope this helps

Eddy
Hi folks,

there was no place for a Pz.Kpfw. II in neither the Stabsbatterie or the Geschütz-Batterien of a Pz.Art.Abt judged by the org. structures. These had either Pz.Beob.Wg. III or IV, and Sd.Kfz. 250, mainly /5 for these duties.

However, what the unit did under which the SP artillery was subordindated is a ccomplete different matter. It is possible that single or more Pz.Kpfw. II where commandeered to the SP artillery units, in order to simply help them doing their job.

In this case the workshop would have had to do a miracle in getting the extended radio equipment in this small tank.

so I am pretty sure that T.J. is right. There was never a Pz.Beob.Wg II, or a Bef.Pz. II command tank produced by the German industry. Customized solutions are thinkable, but were very badly documented. The few photos of modified Pz II known may tell much, but not the reason why they have been built. Did they help leading the Abteilung, the Batterie or the fire fight?

Yours

Thomas
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Joined: August 12th, 2006, 5:43 pm

June 26th, 2012, 7:12 pm #5

Hey Mark,

Just found this, so I made a new topic
Look at the 4th posting, it seems it was based on an ausf F
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 74&start=0



Hope this helps

Eddy
Hi,

Photos do exist of two PzBeobachtungswagen II in the Falaise area of Normandy in August, both knocked out (fitted with frame antenna), turret tactical numbers 302 and 303, what unit they were assigned is unknown.

However photo evidence from Italy shows a Pz II (version unknown), tactical number 20x with the Brummbars of Sturm Pz Abt 216.

In Normandy Sturm Pz Abt 217 was also in the Falaise pocket area in August 44, so there is a possible connection, but Pz II Beobachtung vehicles were certainly around in Normandy.


cheers leonard paul

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Joined: April 27th, 2005, 6:41 pm

June 26th, 2012, 10:32 pm #6

http://www.network54.com/Forum/571595/t ... 336803596/

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Joined: August 12th, 2006, 5:43 pm

June 27th, 2012, 6:32 am #7

Hi Niels,

That is the research I was talking about, glad you found it, the "blue" tinted Pz II photo was taken by me in the Trun scrapyard in 1977, the panzer was eventually recovered, restored and is now part of the Saumur Tank Museum collection.

cheers leonard paul
Last edited by spannermann on June 27th, 2012, 7:31 am, edited 1 time in total.
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