Pz IV question

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Pz IV question

Joined: June 11th, 2006, 8:26 am

May 7th, 2012, 11:06 am #1

Hello,

On the drawings in Panzer Trackts and in the latest Spielberger about the pz Iv and in the one about leighter panzerjager there is a vertical line of bolts between the 3th and latest return roller. What is their use? I can't find them on pics of the real panzerjager, stug IV or mobelwagen in Saumur. I think perhaps they are for the attachment of the help engine on the pz IV before the ausf J, what do you think?

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May 7th, 2012, 12:18 pm #2

I think they would be for the fixing of engine bulkhead. I can't recall if these were bolts or screws. I will check references after work tonight.

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May 7th, 2012, 12:51 pm #3

I taught that too, but they are only on one side, the side of the filler caps, and only 5 or 6 not the whole length down

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Joined: June 23rd, 2003, 4:53 pm

May 7th, 2012, 4:03 pm #4

On the basis that they line up with it and it is logical, for me at least. Doyle's plan of the Ausf. H on p215 of Spielberger book 2 shows them on both sides. I believe that they are conical bolts, although the area is concealed/covered in mud/in shadow on most contemporary photos.

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Joined: August 27th, 2004, 3:17 pm

May 8th, 2012, 7:34 am #5

Hello,

On the drawings in Panzer Trackts and in the latest Spielberger about the pz Iv and in the one about leighter panzerjager there is a vertical line of bolts between the 3th and latest return roller. What is their use? I can't find them on pics of the real panzerjager, stug IV or mobelwagen in Saumur. I think perhaps they are for the attachment of the help engine on the pz IV before the ausf J, what do you think?

Eddy
The bolts show on various vehicles.

Brumbear in the USA


The Pz. 4 J Bef. at Brussels


The Kubinka G


The Saumur Pz. 4 restoration project - Posted by Laurent some time ago.


And they're on the Dragon model!


They're on both sides and line-up with the engine bulkhead.

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Ray
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May 8th, 2012, 11:25 am #6

For those great pictures, today I found one on the panzerjager IV L/70 (A) in the collection of our friend Dennis Trowbridge (Thanks Dennis).
Those Dragon Hulls made me ask this question. On the panzer IV J they are in place but in the new panserjager IV L (70) V befehels ausf from cyber hobby they are absent and I cant find a descent picture of one of these.
I have the Tristar L/70 (A) also and now I know I have to ad them myself on this one.



While looking through the pictures of Denis, I found this. Look at the supports of the return rollers. If you want to make the Saumur ausf of the panzerjager IV L/70 (A), these supports are in the Tristar kit, so look out.

http://jtrowbridge5.smugmug.com/Saumurs ... 5&lb=1&s=A

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Joined: August 27th, 2004, 3:17 pm

May 8th, 2012, 2:51 pm #7

Hello,

On the drawings in Panzer Trackts and in the latest Spielberger about the pz Iv and in the one about leighter panzerjager there is a vertical line of bolts between the 3th and latest return roller. What is their use? I can't find them on pics of the real panzerjager, stug IV or mobelwagen in Saumur. I think perhaps they are for the attachment of the help engine on the pz IV before the ausf J, what do you think?

Eddy
Just looked at my folder from the polish Stug IV restoration. Some showed the interior before restoration. In the engine-bay there is an L shaped bulkhead strip bolted to the left side but nothing on the right, not even holes.

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Ray
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May 8th, 2012, 3:00 pm #8

Here is a pic of the right side of the Polish Stug IV



And before Restoration




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Joined: June 23rd, 2003, 4:53 pm

May 8th, 2012, 5:06 pm #9

Thanks Eddy; I didn't have those shots.

Rob
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May 8th, 2012, 7:48 pm #10

Robert, here you find them all


http://www.eksploracja.eu/tps/photogall ... rowstart=0

Eddy
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