Polish 7TP, marking + translation questions

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Polish 7TP, marking + translation questions

Joined: September 28th, 2003, 8:17 am

June 29th, 2006, 12:34 pm #1

Hey guys,

I'm building two 1/35 7TP light tanks. I think they are old Mirage kits but the box doesn't mention a company name. I made a scan of the instructions (see below) because i would really like to know what the text says (version 1, 2, 3, 4). Would someone be able to give me a translation? Also, are the jumping panter and the bison (in a circle) unit signs or just signs the specific crew added to their tank?

Any help is greatly appreciated

gr.

Jochem



http://www.panzerfoto.nl
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Joined: November 10th, 2004, 3:17 pm

June 29th, 2006, 7:19 pm #2

1. Light tank 7tp from September Campaign. Vechicle painted overal green olive ( khaki ). Exthaus -> rust, track -> steel, tyres -> dark grey ( tyre black ).

Those overall green tanks served only in Warsaw and were proboably war production tanks builded in Ursus factory near polish capital.

2. Light tank 7tp from september campaign. painted overal in 3 - tone scheme of sand ( ochre ), brown and olive green. Details like above.

3 tone scheme was typical for all polish armouded vechicles including tanks and tank baised trailers ( like C2p i C7p ). Base paint was proboably dark green ( like Humbrol 117, but it was fading very fast into shade close to Humbrol 155 ). Sand was a bit greysh, more than Humbrol 93. Brown was a darker color.

3. 7tp light tank of IInd tank bathalion, sheme like above. The jumping jaguar was a sign of the unit ( most of the insignias were removed until 1939 )

4. Same as above but from IIIrd bathalion with zubr ( european cousin of bizon ).

Hope this halped you a bit.

Cheers
Jakub
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Joined: September 12th, 2003, 3:25 pm

June 30th, 2006, 10:56 am #3

Two comments:
Olive green was definitely lighter and more vivid then colours suggested by Jakub. Restored TKS catch shaded almost perfect - except the fact that original camo paints were matt/flat.
http://www.rkd.friko.pl/tks/index.html
BTW In original kit instruction is one small shortcut – muffler was painted glossy black and then rusted.
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Joined: September 28th, 2003, 8:17 am

July 1st, 2006, 8:25 am #4

Hey guys,

I'm building two 1/35 7TP light tanks. I think they are old Mirage kits but the box doesn't mention a company name. I made a scan of the instructions (see below) because i would really like to know what the text says (version 1, 2, 3, 4). Would someone be able to give me a translation? Also, are the jumping panter and the bison (in a circle) unit signs or just signs the specific crew added to their tank?

Any help is greatly appreciated

gr.

Jochem



http://www.panzerfoto.nl
Jakub, Marek,

Thank you both for responding and translating and thanks for that link! Also one last question, would the camouflage be exactly the same (factory applied in one pattern)or did the tanks have different patterns?

Cheers

Jochem

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July 1st, 2006, 12:54 pm #5

In case of 7TP camo was basicaly applied in factory, so in effect tanks looks very similar but refreshing of camo was made on unit level. In effect some aberation of the standard could be noticed.
BTW paint were paint in following order: olive-green overall, sand-grey, brown-chocolade.

HTH
Marek
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July 2nd, 2006, 11:43 am #6

Hi Marek,

Somehow i started with yellow...and i had a hard time getting the tanks not to look like German stuff. I hope i can still get some of your approval on this one Some details still need to be done as well as adding dirt/dust. What do you think, can i add some sand bags as extra armor or foliage?

grtz

Jochem



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July 2nd, 2006, 4:01 pm #7

Hello Jochem,

Nicely done, but the bronze is IMHO wrong. It look's more like german rotebrun, while the polish color was darker, bronze-chocolate.

No softarmor on polish vechicles, foliage could appear but I didn't seen any pictures of that ( mayby Marek have some ).

Cheers
Jakub
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July 2nd, 2006, 11:24 pm #8

Jakub is right: colors looks incorect - dark green and light brown is oposite to their true apeariance. Look again on fotos of real thing in difrent light conditions:





For sure there was no need and feeling among tank crews that they required extra armour so no sandbags on models. Foliage sometimes was used for sure but I manage to spot only one 1939 photo to prove it:
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Joined: September 28th, 2003, 8:17 am

July 3rd, 2006, 10:14 am #9

...with a lighter green and a darker brown to make them look more accurate. I'll post an update soon.

Beautiful TKS, i had the Mirage kit with ABER PE... i wish a hadn't sold it.


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Jochem

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July 3rd, 2006, 8:19 pm #10

Well don't be sad, both RPM and MIrage kits are very poor and inacurate, you would need to bash them and build about 30% of parts by yourself

Cheers
Jakub
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