Need help with marking on Traction

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Need help with marking on Traction

Joined: October 31st, 2005, 6:55 pm

March 21st, 2010, 4:59 pm #1

Ola Guys

I also have a topic running in the Axis DG about this vehicle and I got my answer partially there. But they reffered me to this group as well. So I would like to give it a try here as well

The original question was: Does anybody have a clue what colors the markings are on the fenders of this Traction avant?


In the Axis DG I learned the markings were the original French markings and that the triangle on the right was red and stood for Artillery. This leaves me with two questions unanswered. The marking on the let is a regimental sign... but from what regiment and what are the colors?

Another thing was that after I learned that the vehicle still had the french markings I more or less thought it was not yet painted over in German colors. What was the original color used by the french forces? Was it green? I planned on panting the vehcle grey but I think it looks more interesting when the vehicle has another color.

If anybody got a good idea about this I would love to hear it
And I apologize for the fact that I don't speak any French.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
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Joined: October 31st, 2005, 6:55 pm

March 22nd, 2010, 3:55 pm #2

Ola people

Looking at the replies to my question I get a bit the feeling I did something wrong.
I hope this isn't the case... but sadly I can't understand a word you guys have wrote.
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Joined: April 21st, 2005, 4:43 pm

March 22nd, 2010, 4:00 pm #3

Robert, you didn't make anything wrong. It's just some self French bashing

Hopefully someone will answer your initial question. Unfortunately I can't.

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm
Olivier
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Joined: February 18th, 2004, 8:47 pm

March 22nd, 2010, 4:55 pm #4

Ola Guys

I also have a topic running in the Axis DG about this vehicle and I got my answer partially there. But they reffered me to this group as well. So I would like to give it a try here as well

The original question was: Does anybody have a clue what colors the markings are on the fenders of this Traction avant?


In the Axis DG I learned the markings were the original French markings and that the triangle on the right was red and stood for Artillery. This leaves me with two questions unanswered. The marking on the let is a regimental sign... but from what regiment and what are the colors?

Another thing was that after I learned that the vehicle still had the french markings I more or less thought it was not yet painted over in German colors. What was the original color used by the french forces? Was it green? I planned on panting the vehcle grey but I think it looks more interesting when the vehicle has another color.

If anybody got a good idea about this I would love to hear it
And I apologize for the fact that I don't speak any French.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
Robert,

as Olivier says, no worries, you're quite welcome to post here, even though you do not speak any French (I presume you are Dutch and if I'm correct I can't utter a word of Dutch myself so English will have to do !).

It just so happens we're having one of those typical heated French debate below about the use of English as an 'international language' (roll eyes)... Again, nothing to do with you or any other foreign poster and no need to lose sleep over this.

I'm taking the liberty to do a quick translation of your post into French (message below).
Sadly I can't be of any assistance with your query but hopefully someone else will be. If you were to get a reply in French only, I (or another kind soul) will translate it for you.

Best of luck,

Regards

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March 22nd, 2010, 4:58 pm #5

Ola Guys

I also have a topic running in the Axis DG about this vehicle and I got my answer partially there. But they reffered me to this group as well. So I would like to give it a try here as well

The original question was: Does anybody have a clue what colors the markings are on the fenders of this Traction avant?


In the Axis DG I learned the markings were the original French markings and that the triangle on the right was red and stood for Artillery. This leaves me with two questions unanswered. The marking on the let is a regimental sign... but from what regiment and what are the colors?

Another thing was that after I learned that the vehicle still had the french markings I more or less thought it was not yet painted over in German colors. What was the original color used by the french forces? Was it green? I planned on panting the vehcle grey but I think it looks more interesting when the vehicle has another color.

If anybody got a good idea about this I would love to hear it
And I apologize for the fact that I don't speak any French.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
Hello/salut

Robert voudrait savoir la signification régimentaire et la couleur des marquages de la traction sur la photo. Je suppose que la réponse peut se trouver là :
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=11349260
mais je ne dispose pas de cet ouvrage

Robert, I think the answer can be find here :
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.ph ... u=11349260
but I don't have this book

And sorry, but you are an other innocent hostage in a new french civil war !

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Joined: February 18th, 2004, 8:47 pm

March 22nd, 2010, 5:01 pm #6

Ola Guys

I also have a topic running in the Axis DG about this vehicle and I got my answer partially there. But they reffered me to this group as well. So I would like to give it a try here as well

The original question was: Does anybody have a clue what colors the markings are on the fenders of this Traction avant?


In the Axis DG I learned the markings were the original French markings and that the triangle on the right was red and stood for Artillery. This leaves me with two questions unanswered. The marking on the let is a regimental sign... but from what regiment and what are the colors?

Another thing was that after I learned that the vehicle still had the french markings I more or less thought it was not yet painted over in German colors. What was the original color used by the french forces? Was it green? I planned on panting the vehcle grey but I think it looks more interesting when the vehicle has another color.

If anybody got a good idea about this I would love to hear it
And I apologize for the fact that I don't speak any French.

With friendly greetz

Robert Blokker
Rapidos :

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Besoin d'aide au sujet des marquages d'un Traction.

Salut les gars,

J'ai également lancé un sujet sur le Forum Axis à propos de ce véhicule et ai reçu un début de réponse. Mais on m'a indiqué ce groupe de discussion également, alors je tente aussi ma chance ici.

Ma question initiale était : est-ce que quelqu'un sait de quelles couleurs étaient les marquages sur les garde-boue de cette Traction Avant ?



Sur le Forum Axis j'ai appris qu'il s'agissait des marquages français d'origine et que le triangle à droite était rouge pour l'Artillerie. Je me retrouve avec 2 questions sans réponse. Le marquage sur la gauche est celui d'un régiment... mais de quel régiment et quelles sont les couleurs ?

Après avoir appris que le véhicule avait toujours des marquages français, j'ai plus ou moins pensé qu'il n'avait pas été encore repeint aux couleurs allemandes. Quelle était la couleur utilisée par les Forces Françaises ? Etait-ce le vert ? Je prévoyais de peindre le véhicule en gris mais je pense qu'une autre couleur rendrait le véhicule plus intéressant.

Si quelqu'un a une bonne idée à suggérer je suis toute ouïe.
Et je vous prie d'excuser le fait que je ne parle pas du tout le Français.

Salutions amicales.

Robert Blokker

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PS : si quelqu'un peut apporter son aide mais seulement en Français, on s'efforcera d'en faire une traduction en anglais. Merci d'avance pour lui.




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Joined: May 23rd, 2005, 6:21 am

March 23rd, 2010, 7:19 am #7

On est en présence d'une bizarrerie :

Le triangle (rouge) désigne bien l'artillerie, mais le cercle (vert) désigne le train. Difficile de croire à une double affectation... (pour mémoire : losange bleu = cavalerie, étoile orange = armée de l'air, ovale marron = génie, carré jaune = infanterie)

L'idée qu'il s'agit d'un insigne d'unité est tentante, mais en général ces insignes sont plutôt sur les portières. Reste l'hypothèse de symboles tactiques pour différencier les batteries à l'intérieur du régiment, mais il faudrait pouvoir en déterminer les couleurs et/ou la logique...

Quand au camo, il s'agit visiblement d'une traction de réquisition comme le laisse penser les caches phares bricolés. D'ailleurs la plaque, pour ce que j'en vois, n'a pas l'air de porter une immatriculation de commande militaire. Partant de là n'importe quel bariolage peut convenir, il suffit juste d'être imaginatif, les camouflages des véhicules de réquisition étant réalisés en unités sans instructions réellement précises.

Pascal
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Joined: February 18th, 2004, 8:47 pm

March 23rd, 2010, 10:29 am #8


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Tactical markings

We are looking at an oddity :

indeed the triangle (red) means Artillery, but the circle (green) indicates Transport.
Hard to believe it was allocated to both...(for the record : blue rhombus = Cavalry, orange star = Air Force, brown oval = Engineers, yellow square = Infantry).

One could easily speculate it is a unit emblem, but such emblems are usually found on the doors.
Tactical markings as a means to identify troops within the regiment is the last option but if so the colours and/or the rationale behind it would have to be determined...

As for the camo, the makeshift headlight covers are an obvious clincher this is a civilian Traction seized for military use. Besides the number plate, as far as I can tell, doesn't seem to have a military order registration. So based on this observation any type of disruptive colour scheme could fit, you just have to use a little imagination as camo schemes for 'commandeered vehicles' were done at unit level with no clear specifications.

Pascal

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HTH




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Joined: May 23rd, 2005, 6:21 am

March 23rd, 2010, 10:39 am #9

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Joined: October 31st, 2005, 6:55 pm

March 24th, 2010, 7:03 pm #10

Robert, you didn't make anything wrong. It's just some self French bashing

Hopefully someone will answer your initial question. Unfortunately I can't.

Olivier
http://olivier.carneau.free.fr/gb_version/index.htm
It is always hard when you don't know a language. But thanks for clearing it up.
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