Messines Model (sort of back to front modelling question)

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Messines Model (sort of back to front modelling question)

Joined: April 18th, 2005, 12:31 pm

December 29th, 2007, 10:26 pm #1

Guys,

Don't usually post over in this neck of the woods but maybe someone can assist with an unusual research question - it's sort modelling in reverse.

Normally we ask each other historical questions so that we can make better models. I want to ask for details of a model so that I can write a better history

Prior to the Messines Ridge battle in June 1917, a huge outdoor model was constructed to assist with briefing British/ANZAC troops on their role in the battle.

The model itself didn't survive the war but whilst I've come across one or two references to it and even a couple of partial photos, I'd be interested in finding out a lot more about it.

Tried online but with little success.

Any ideas where else to start looking?

Thanks in advance,
John
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Joined: February 21st, 2004, 10:10 pm

December 31st, 2007, 8:42 pm #2

John,

I guess you`ve read "Pillars of Fire" by Ian Passingham -
there are a couple of photos of the model in this book.

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Joined: September 27th, 2004, 11:44 am

January 1st, 2008, 9:44 am #3

Guys,

Don't usually post over in this neck of the woods but maybe someone can assist with an unusual research question - it's sort modelling in reverse.

Normally we ask each other historical questions so that we can make better models. I want to ask for details of a model so that I can write a better history

Prior to the Messines Ridge battle in June 1917, a huge outdoor model was constructed to assist with briefing British/ANZAC troops on their role in the battle.

The model itself didn't survive the war but whilst I've come across one or two references to it and even a couple of partial photos, I'd be interested in finding out a lot more about it.

Tried online but with little success.

Any ideas where else to start looking?

Thanks in advance,
John
I've seen it many a time on documentary's of the war and on the battles of Messines and Passchendale in particular.
Problem is, I don't know any specific reference for it and the only thing I can suggest is you could try the Imperial War Museum, Australian War Memorial or the Canadian Memorial to see what they have got.
My only concern there is sometimes it isn't cheap to by images from them, and film footage even more so.
It's also a shot in the dark to sometimes grab a couple of cheap generic DVD documentary's on the war. They can sometimes be cheap and nasty but occasionally you can strike gold.
I've just grabbed a 6 DVD set for $30 that includes a snippets of interviews with original BEF survivors filmed probably in the 60's by the quality of the footage. But it's incredibly interesting to hear it from men who fought at Mons, Le Cateau and First Ypres as well as from Edward Spears who was the Liaison Officer assigned to try and coordinate between the BEF and the French.
I've read a few times of his account of the first meeting between Sir John French and Lanrezac.
Not the highlight of relationships between coalition armies!
So you can try that.
HTH
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