IDF M48A3

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IDF M48A3

Tan Chuan-Jin
Tan Chuan-Jin

March 12th, 2005, 4:38 pm #1

I've got a Tamiya M48A3 but with barrel missing. But I do have spare 105mm barrel. Been searching the net, but can anyone confirm if the IDF used M48A3s with the 105mm gun? and whether I could basically use the rest of the M48A3 kit intact. Especially the commander's cuppola.

Tks for any feedback.

cj
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Kjeld Pedersen
Kjeld Pedersen

March 12th, 2005, 6:21 pm #2

Hey

When you build the Magach 3 (M48A3)with
105 mm gun you cant use the old cupolar
with 0.50 HMG, you shall use a Sherman
cupolar or the Israeli Urdan.

Here you have 2 different approaches:

http://idfmodelling.free.fr/article01.html

http://menatezz.cool.ne.jp/sabi-models/ ... _m48a3.htm

Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen
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Kjeld Pedersen
Kjeld Pedersen

March 12th, 2005, 6:33 pm #3

Hey

Here is the the link:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/migm48.htm

Sorry
Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen
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Andre Ellis
Andre Ellis

March 12th, 2005, 7:25 pm #4

I've got a Tamiya M48A3 but with barrel missing. But I do have spare 105mm barrel. Been searching the net, but can anyone confirm if the IDF used M48A3s with the 105mm gun? and whether I could basically use the rest of the M48A3 kit intact. Especially the commander's cuppola.

Tks for any feedback.

cj
Howdy... the early M48,s did use the cupola supplied in the Tamiya/Academy kits but you must not use the lower portion with the vision blocks i dont recall seeing that type of cupola used.The .50 cal that was installed inside the cupola was the{M-85} so dont mount the external {M-2} on the outer top. Later models then used the urdan cupola with the .30 cal.MG. Also you would still be correct by using the kit 90MM main gun as also the earliest M48,s had these but not for long... the L7 105MM was the weapon of choice for the later M48,s
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Gary Owsley
Gary Owsley

March 12th, 2005, 9:01 pm #5

Maybe if you are doing a M48A2 from `67. There's a differance between the A2 and A3. A2 is a gasser with a similar looking engine deck, Monagram M48 is an A2.I've yet to see a M48A3 with the .50 cal. copula. Seen plenty with the Urdan and Sherman copula.
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Kjeld Pedersen
Kjeld Pedersen

March 13th, 2005, 1:10 am #6

Howdy... the early M48,s did use the cupola supplied in the Tamiya/Academy kits but you must not use the lower portion with the vision blocks i dont recall seeing that type of cupola used.The .50 cal that was installed inside the cupola was the{M-85} so dont mount the external {M-2} on the outer top. Later models then used the urdan cupola with the .30 cal.MG. Also you would still be correct by using the kit 90MM main gun as also the earliest M48,s had these but not for long... the L7 105MM was the weapon of choice for the later M48,s
Hey

IDF received their M48A3 in 1969 they were upgunned with 105 mm cannons
and it did not use US M1 cupola.

The M48A2 (petrol engine) with 90 mm canon and US M1 cupola was used during the 1967 war, the A2 was later modified to A3 standard, with diesel engines and Urdan/Sherman cupola.

I will adwice our modeller to make a M48A3 with 105 mm gun (he dont have a 90 mm gun) with either Urdan or Sherman cupola.

some more links:

http://suzuka.cool.ne.jp/menatezz/idf-m48/idfm48.htm

look for (purple) Magach
http://www.cheyl-shiryon.com/vehicleref.html

http://www.patton-mania.com/IDF_Pattons ... ttons.html

Best regards
Kjeld Pedersen

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eyal kafri
eyal kafri

March 13th, 2005, 8:38 am #7

I've got a Tamiya M48A3 but with barrel missing. But I do have spare 105mm barrel. Been searching the net, but can anyone confirm if the IDF used M48A3s with the 105mm gun? and whether I could basically use the rest of the M48A3 kit intact. Especially the commander's cuppola.

Tks for any feedback.

cj
i've seen pictures of israeli m48a3 from 1973 with the early copula (as in the tamiya kit) minus the lower vision ring. in 1973 all the pattons had the 105mm gun but there were 3 types of copulas. the urdan copula, the sherman copula and the original american copula.
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Gary Owsley
Gary Owsley

March 14th, 2005, 12:50 am #8

Proably a reeingined A2, they are misidentified all the time. One way to be for sure is, the A3 had 5 return rollers and the A2 had 3.
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Joshua Weingarten
Joshua Weingarten

March 14th, 2005, 4:39 am #9

Howdy... the early M48,s did use the cupola supplied in the Tamiya/Academy kits but you must not use the lower portion with the vision blocks i dont recall seeing that type of cupola used.The .50 cal that was installed inside the cupola was the{M-85} so dont mount the external {M-2} on the outer top. Later models then used the urdan cupola with the .30 cal.MG. Also you would still be correct by using the kit 90MM main gun as also the earliest M48,s had these but not for long... the L7 105MM was the weapon of choice for the later M48,s
As kjeld pointed out check my listing on the IDF use of the 48 / 60 patton on my site

http://www.cheyl-shiryon.com/vehicleref.html

the M48A3s all had their guns updated to 105mm by 1973.
the early ones retained their 90mm guns as did the the earlier M48A2s . you can distinguish these by the missing air cleaners , 3 return rollers instead of five. Also early versions did not have the accordian dust cover but a similar one which had drooping material where th eaccordian would go. The final version of hte M48 in IDF service were some M48a5s. the earliest were M48a1s. pics of all types are on my site just click on the thumbnails.
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eyal kafri
eyal kafri

March 14th, 2005, 8:49 am #10

Proably a reeingined A2, they are misidentified all the time. One way to be for sure is, the A3 had 5 return rollers and the A2 had 3.
just checked it. there are 5. i guess anything goes.
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