Future Combat Vehicle

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Future Combat Vehicle

Joined: March 9th, 2006, 4:39 pm

February 24th, 2012, 6:43 pm #1

Hello to all,

According to Army Technology, the Namer, CV90 and Puma are expected to be among the vehicles being considered for the FCV. I thought this news might be of interest...especially if someone is able to catch a glimpse of them while they are in the United States.

Respectfully,

Allen
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February 24th, 2012, 6:46 pm #2

Definately. The Puma (if you are referring to the IDF version) probably won't make it. No rear access. Would defintaely be cool seeign a NAMER in three tone Euro camo!
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Joined: July 13th, 2004, 1:39 am

February 24th, 2012, 7:05 pm #3

Hello to all,

According to Army Technology, the Namer, CV90 and Puma are expected to be among the vehicles being considered for the FCV. I thought this news might be of interest...especially if someone is able to catch a glimpse of them while they are in the United States.

Respectfully,

Allen
FCS is dead, the site has old data. The FCS/V (Future Combat System/Vehicle) program was cancelled in '09. The decision was made to stick with current systems (M2/M3 Bradley, M109 Howitzer, M1 Abrams, etc.) and upgrade them and shift development dollars to new MRAP type vehicles as opposed to developing a new family of tracked combat vehicles with fancy drive systems and other newer technologies.

Secondly, I don't see any of the three listed above as improvements over current M2/M3 Bradley IFVs. The IDF Puma would actually be a step back, as noted above by Mark. If it is the German Puma APC, again, what is the improvement over the Bradley?

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February 24th, 2012, 7:19 pm #4

The tests are for the GCV (Ground Combat Vehicle), not FCV (Future Combat Vehicle). They are different programms with different requirements. The GCV is to find a replacement for M113s and some support (Engineer and Air Defense) Bradleys. They are basically looking for a turretless APC, not an IFV with a main gun like the Bradley. Also in the test mix will be a turretless version of the Bradley.

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http://www.army-technology.com/news/new ... programme/


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February 24th, 2012, 8:06 pm #5

Should win but I bet we stick with the turretless Bradley!
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February 24th, 2012, 8:23 pm #6

Just for logistical reasons alone. It is easier and more cost effective to carry repair parts for a common vehicle type as opposed to many different vehicle types. We already own lots of Bradleys to convert as well.

The Namer is really huge too, being based on a Merkava hull. We really don't need an APC that big. The narrow rear ramp access could be an issue too. It does look cool though.


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February 24th, 2012, 9:08 pm #7

A heck of a lot more IED safe than Bradley!
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February 24th, 2012, 9:18 pm #8

It depends on the type and size of the IED.

If it is a big enough IED, nothing is safe. The M1A2 SEP that was flipped over by an IED is a case in point. No tracked vehicle with a flat underside is really good at standing up to large, dug-in IEDs.

EFPs and side shot IEDs can be defeated by extra side ERA and add-on armor plates too. The Brad is pretty good at defeating them.

It is a trade-off. No vehicle is ever going to be impervious to IEDs. The best you can hope for is to protect the crew so they live. Also, these are not front-line combat vehicles, but support vehicles. Lighter skinned or less armored is more acceptable in these conditions. It is expected that more heavily armored and specially designed route clearance vehicles would secure and clear the route for them.

The reason we need something new is that the M113 is small for all the gear we now carry, it can't really keep up with tanks and Brads, and the design is almost 60 years old. It needs to be replaced.

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February 24th, 2012, 9:32 pm #9

Even Cooler thoughts.....A three tone EURO camo on a Namer with a 120mm in the rear to rplace the M106!!!! Super neat!
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February 24th, 2012, 11:42 pm #10

Definately. The Puma (if you are referring to the IDF version) probably won't make it. No rear access. Would defintaely be cool seeign a NAMER in three tone Euro camo!
They are testing the new GErman Puma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_(IFV)
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