Joined: August 12th, 2004, 3:14 pm

June 13th, 2018, 11:17 pm #11

BILL APPLE wrote: I have a box of DS tracks that have never  been assembled and they look good as new.  Can we rule out paints or environment before we condemn the tracks?  No dog in this fight, just looking for answers.  Personally I would prefer they revert to the magic tracks too, or even the Imperial Series tracks.
I have opened a newly bought, shrink wrapped, kit and found the DS tracks to have turned dark brown and brittle in the box.  Somehow I think the issue is in the DS plastic mix itself. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't.  Some things like using lacquer paints and heavy enamel based washes may contribute to the problems, but are not the sole cause of them.  For what it's worth, I have had Tamiya and AFV Gluable tracks do the same thing, so I think it has something to do with whatever makes the gluable tracks gluable.
DAVID NICKELS
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Joined: May 18th, 2013, 11:02 pm

June 13th, 2018, 11:45 pm #12

Rick Cummelin wrote: I will never buy another of your kits that contains the "Dragon Styrene" tracks.
Never is a long time.  It's easy to construct a realistic scenario where the circumstances are such that you'd be foolishly spiting yourself by upholding your declaration.  That's why one should never be a public absolutist, and always be open to new information.

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Joined: July 11th, 2005, 1:07 pm

June 14th, 2018, 6:16 am #13

The issue of Dragon DS Tracks disintegrating has been mentioned on ML many many times and really should come as no surprise to anyone who visits ML.

IIRC the exact reason was given in the Braille Scale forum by a chemical specialist. Basically it boils down to this.

Dragon use third parties for all their production. Some have better quality control than others. Because of this some DS track production runs have not been using the correct mix of specific plastic types required. The Result is some DS track degradeds and some does not.

So although I do understand the upset went it happens I don’t understand the complete shock and surprise Upon its discovery.

Yes Dragon are at fault for poor quality control, but again that’s not news.

I’m aware of the DS issue and I don’t even own a Dragon kit.

Andrew
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Joined: October 9th, 2017, 5:50 am

June 14th, 2018, 9:01 am #14

I dont own to many 35th kits and the dragon ones i do own all have magic tracks ,why? because with a piece of double sided tape they are so easy to assemble and you can work in the track sag to suit ,whats not like. They are simple and easy answer to indy tracks . The only kit i have with ds was a disaster and being a Sherman it was a pain to source some alternatives and build them and that is a process that sucked the fun right out of me . Model kasten Sherman tracks are beautiful but a real killer to assemble. 
There is a better answer and 48th scale Armour modelers have had it right from the start  LINK AND LENGTH , its simple and the tracks look good . Tamiya really did get this part of armor kits sorted out. and the few 35th tamiya kits i have all have it as well as the rubber band so you have both choices to suit which ever way you want to go . Why dragon dont give both options is question ? Cost ? doubt it , their kits are expensive enough to have both. I had hoped that the rubber band type would go the way dinosaur as they they truly are backward step and a relic from the past imho .  But it really all comes back to one thing and thats what you want out of model and what satisfies you . Me its length and link or indy . Have fun Wayne
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Joined: January 16th, 2006, 2:54 am

June 14th, 2018, 10:43 am #15

I'm not going to enrage the discussion further, but rather tell of my experience.
I live in South Australia, one of the hottest, driest states in Australia and my models are out in my shed/studio which is only lightly insulated.
I have a few kits with DS tracks, none of which have shown any signs of degradation, either still in box or painted and on the model. The only issue I have had was one set was too short and I did try to stretch them with no success but they also stayed firmly intact too.

My gut feeling is this is not only a material quality issue but could just be a batch issue.
I also understand that there are a multitude of old kits still out there with these bad tracks and there's many an unfortunate modeler out there with a ruined model because of it as well.
I agree Dragon should discontinue using that material for one piece tracks, if they haven't already.
We'd all agree they need to find another, better recipe, but I think they also need to find a better way of joining them rather than relying on glue, which would make material choice a bit easier, surely ... can't be that hard?

In the diverse world we live in we are all different, I don't have a distinct preference for one piece or individual or link & length. My preference is how well detailed the track is, so I tend work with what is supplied in the kit and either go with AM or rework kit supplied.

As said, everyone has a preference, not all of us have the patience for individual links either, so it'd be nice if the manufacturers produce their own 'aftermarket' hard plastic sets so modellers have a choice and the companies wouldn't loose out to aftermarket companies.

Just my 2cents worth.
Tim James
Tim James
aka TJ
Styrene Manipulator.
Lover of heavy metal armour and shiny fast muscle cars.
"Slow progress is better than no progress"
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Joined: April 22nd, 2005, 1:27 pm

June 14th, 2018, 2:08 pm #16

Good Grief - they should just include both.  Every DML kit has tons of extra parts anyway.  Is an extra set of tracks really going to kill their profit margins?  
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Joined: May 5th, 2005, 2:36 pm

June 14th, 2018, 2:36 pm #17

Hi,

Anybody ever tries to contact Dragon Care to try and solve the problem ?
Just curious to read their answer...

Cheers,
Patrice.
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Joined: August 12th, 2004, 3:14 pm

June 14th, 2018, 4:01 pm #18

PatriceDEBUCQUOY wrote: Hi,

Anybody ever tries to contact Dragon Care to try and solve the problem ?
Just curious to read their answer...

Cheers,
Patrice.
You mean Dragon Doesn't Care, which is their usual reaction to customer service requests.  Now and then you get lucky but in general they do not respond or ask for proof of things you can not provide (like a photo of a missing part in order for them to replace the missing part).
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Joined: May 2nd, 2013, 10:15 pm

June 15th, 2018, 3:16 am #19

As a lowly haberdasher I can't state quite emphatically that every time Ive contacted Dragon, whether it was for a missing part or a part I lost/broke, without question they sent the entire sprue,  no charge, every time. Twice they sent me a complete new model. Try contacting them. Yes, it will be a pain in the tuckus to reapply the tracts, but give it a try. They honestly do care
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Joined: June 24th, 2016, 12:50 pm

June 15th, 2018, 6:27 am #20

As has been mentioned, it seems to boil down to individual batches. I have some DS tracks that are still perfect after a number of years, and I have some that came apart after less than a year. Because of this inconsistency in quality, I am always a bit apprehensive with DS products.
What I did find is that it usually helps to seal the tracks in a primer ASAP. This seems to prevent the oily stuff from leaking out and seems to conserve the tracks. So my usual MO is getting the running gear built, fit the tracks for lenght, adjust as needed, and hit the tracks with at least a coat of primer, so you won't be awakened at night by the sound of tracks crumbling ;-)
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