development of "Swifel" Schuerzen on Stug 3

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development of "Swifel" Schuerzen on Stug 3

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August 14th, 2012, 6:41 pm #1

Hi to all
There was half off topic discussion 41 threads down about Schwingschuerzen.
Yesterday I got some further informations from Wolfgang Zimmermann, one Author of Historyfacts, about history of Schwingschuerzen.

Oberwerkmeister d. Reserve, Kurt Hanel, Commander of Maintanance unit of SturmArt. Brig.190 was proposed for awarding the "Deutsche Kreuz in Silber" in Sept.1944.
Part of proposal text summarized with my Basic English:
One of the reason for awarding is the "credit for developing and improving the Schwingschuerzen, which are now successful in use on all Stugs of the Brigade for app. one year..... This invention is allready accepted by the Heereswaffenamt for serial production."

HF found during their research original plans for this modification with all details from Dec. 1944.(and also plans for Jagdpanzer 4 and Koax MG for Stug3, Jp4, but that is another story) These plans were property of Stug Lehr Brigade 920 and were based on Hanels sketches which were included in award papers.

Take into account, that the development took some months, then the first Schwingschurzen would be appear app. April/May 1943
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August 14th, 2012, 7:43 pm #2

Robert, good afternoon!
Very exciting news! It turns out that this development came to the plant from the combat units? Then the question arises as to which plant it do? Indeed, judging by the photos of the panzer Tracts 8 Alkett up in recent months produced a standard Schurzen.
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August 14th, 2012, 10:06 pm #3

Hi to all
There was half off topic discussion 41 threads down about Schwingschuerzen.
Yesterday I got some further informations from Wolfgang Zimmermann, one Author of Historyfacts, about history of Schwingschuerzen.

Oberwerkmeister d. Reserve, Kurt Hanel, Commander of Maintanance unit of SturmArt. Brig.190 was proposed for awarding the "Deutsche Kreuz in Silber" in Sept.1944.
Part of proposal text summarized with my Basic English:
One of the reason for awarding is the "credit for developing and improving the Schwingschuerzen, which are now successful in use on all Stugs of the Brigade for app. one year..... This invention is allready accepted by the Heereswaffenamt for serial production."

HF found during their research original plans for this modification with all details from Dec. 1944.(and also plans for Jagdpanzer 4 and Koax MG for Stug3, Jp4, but that is another story) These plans were property of Stug Lehr Brigade 920 and were based on Hanels sketches which were included in award papers.

Take into account, that the development took some months, then the first Schwingschurzen would be appear app. April/May 1943
Regards from Vienna
Robert

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Latter seems the more appropriate number for the Brigade.

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August 15th, 2012, 12:23 pm #4

Robert, good afternoon!
Very exciting news! It turns out that this development came to the plant from the combat units? Then the question arises as to which plant it do? Indeed, judging by the photos of the panzer Tracts 8 Alkett up in recent months produced a standard Schurzen.
It seems that the drawings were prepared for front maintance units to modify hangers in the field (like uparmouring early cupolas). Until now there is no evidence/document available that this hangers were installed in factory. As you wrote even late Stugs show standard hanger.


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August 15th, 2012, 12:25 pm #5

Latter seems the more appropriate number for the Brigade.

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August 15th, 2012, 3:19 pm #6

Thanks for posting this additional info Robert

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August 15th, 2012, 10:11 pm #7

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...wanted to make sure the number was correct. Haven't studied 920 in any way, but 902 was also known as Stu.Gesch. Lehr Brigade (before 920 existed). Documents continuously keep mixing the name and number when referring to that brigade so I wanted to make sure the number 920 is indeed correct and not a simple typo.


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