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Churchill MK VI

Joined: July 11th, 2010, 1:14 pm

December 23rd, 2011, 5:19 pm #1



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Seeking information and photos of Churchill MK IV changed in Europe say thanks to Mauro
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Joined: July 16th, 2009, 11:00 pm

December 23rd, 2011, 7:06 pm #2

I'm not quite sure what you are looking for. Are you looking for pictures of MkVI Churchills on service in North West Europe? As in original contemporary pictures?

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December 24th, 2011, 1:17 am #3

Churchill was looking for news of this particular MK VI, this is exposed in Saumur in France, said it was a change made in the field, because the AFV Club near future will make it 'out there if I wanted to see photos or news about

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Joined: April 18th, 2005, 11:30 am

December 24th, 2011, 9:39 am #4

although I don't know how widespread it was, or which unit(s) did it.

The British army's Operational Research Group (ORG)commented on the design immediately after the Normandy battles, and thought that it would add very little extre protection, whilst affecting gun balance.

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Joined: July 16th, 2009, 11:00 pm

December 24th, 2011, 11:16 am #5

All I would add is that the box top is based on an actual photograph

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Joined: March 23rd, 2009, 11:38 pm

December 24th, 2011, 12:23 pm #6

...then one of the units that did carry out the field mod was either 153 Regt RAC or 147 Regt RAC. They both carried the AOS 158 with 34 Army Tank Bde/Armd Bde, 153 RAC up until 24 Aug 44 and 147 RAC from that date until 2 Feb 45 when they changed to the normal 51-52-53 AOS system.
As the AOS shows the white bar of Army troops then it could either be under 21 Army Group in Jun-Jul 44 or 1 Canadian Army in Sept-Oct 44 - which would fit either regiment.
As the kit's not available yet, I wonder what AFV Club chose in their marking guide?
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Joined: March 25th, 2007, 10:42 pm

December 24th, 2011, 1:15 pm #7

Merry Xmas to all (or buon natale!)...
Pathe film 1965.16 has lots of evidence of Churchill MkIV and MkVI with the mantlet applique plate. I am guessing off the top of my head here but I think it is 7th RTR between July and August 1944.
1965.16.54 has a fine example.
As for the Saumur tank, it could be a late MkIV (without hull applique) series upgunned to 75mm, or a genuine MkVI. The trackguards are badly restored and the front MG is assembled partly from some real components but it has been done backwards! That said, it is areal battlefield wreck from 1944 and may even be one of the tanks from Pathe 1965.16.00.
Besides 7th RTR I think that 9th RTR may have had a few of these mantlet applique mods on their tanks, the old Osprey shows one tank in Roosendahl, NL, in 1945 attributed to 9th RTR, and the same pic is in "Tank Tracks", the 9th's fairly comprehensive WW2 unit history from the early 2000s. A free version of this book used to be available as html or possibly pdf via the 9th RTR website for those who do not have it.

Regards for a Happy Xmas to all,

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December 24th, 2011, 1:34 pm #8



hello
Seeking information and photos of Churchill MK IV changed in Europe say thanks to Mauro
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR
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Regards Mauro
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