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British half tracks ww2

Joined: August 4th, 2006, 8:24 pm

July 8th, 2012, 2:46 am #1

I gather from other posts most were M14's made by IHC (with rounded rear, flat front mudguards and the AA gun removed.)

Was this because too many AA versions were made and by 1944 ETO there was little need for AA protection (because of allied air superiorty.)
I also assume that they didnt have pulpits and 50 cals. Hence statements like "british halftracks didn't have pulpits, and were armed with brens"

Any further details about these M14's? I know that the sides also folded down- Seating arrangements etc?
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July 8th, 2012, 3:04 am #2

M9A1's and M5A1's used by British troops both had the machine gun pulpit.

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July 8th, 2012, 3:11 am #3

I gather from other posts most were M14's made by IHC (with rounded rear, flat front mudguards and the AA gun removed.)

Was this because too many AA versions were made and by 1944 ETO there was little need for AA protection (because of allied air superiorty.)
I also assume that they didnt have pulpits and 50 cals. Hence statements like "british halftracks didn't have pulpits, and were armed with brens"

Any further details about these M14's? I know that the sides also folded down- Seating arrangements etc?
This is a good question. All M14 MGMCs were made by IHC. Of the 1605 made, Hunnicutt says "most" had their twin M33 turrets removed and they were reconfigured as personnel carriers by the British and Canadians. I'm only speculating but perhaps the need for the APCs was greater than the firepower delivered by the twin .50cal M33 turrets.

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July 8th, 2012, 3:21 am #4

M9A1's and M5A1's used by British troops both had the machine gun pulpit.

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As well as the A1 versions -did they use the earlier pulpit -less versions?
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July 8th, 2012, 3:25 am #5

No M9's were ever issued, they were all converted to M9A1's

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Joined: August 29th, 2006, 4:49 am

July 8th, 2012, 6:00 pm #6

I gather from other posts most were M14's made by IHC (with rounded rear, flat front mudguards and the AA gun removed.)

Was this because too many AA versions were made and by 1944 ETO there was little need for AA protection (because of allied air superiorty.)
I also assume that they didnt have pulpits and 50 cals. Hence statements like "british halftracks didn't have pulpits, and were armed with brens"

Any further details about these M14's? I know that the sides also folded down- Seating arrangements etc?
Hi,
Some Canadian M14s had a door cut in the rear.
Also, the IHC halftracks had a banjo axle instead of the split axle style used in the White/Autocar series.
As for the M14s, the air threat was substantially reduced, so the AA system wasn't needed. On the other hand, there was a lot of demand for "armoured" or at least semi-armoured protection for infantry/engineer/artillery/service units.
For more on these issues with the Canadians, this old chestnut is still available, it discusses the Canadian vehicle situation in the run-up to D-Day:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp ... 2&RfId=141
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Joined: February 22nd, 2001, 4:07 am

July 8th, 2012, 8:49 pm #7

Much more than just the Banjo, Bill. If anyone wants a comprehensive list, email me offsite. This offer stands especially for you, Mr. Dragon. Pick up the phone. I'll answer! I swear!

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August 2nd, 2012, 3:41 pm #8

This is a good question. All M14 MGMCs were made by IHC. Of the 1605 made, Hunnicutt says "most" had their twin M33 turrets removed and they were reconfigured as personnel carriers by the British and Canadians. I'm only speculating but perhaps the need for the APCs was greater than the firepower delivered by the twin .50cal M33 turrets.

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I assume that the M14 conversion to personnel carrier, would have seating set up like M3/5 when converted.(This based on the M14 derivation from the M3/5). I assume the fuel tank position would determine this.

It also occurred to me that the seating could be like the M2 (as both do nor have rear doors!)

Lot of assumptions here!any facts or photos?

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