BEF: Cruiser A13 with camo (?) and interesting carrier

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BEF: Cruiser A13 with camo (?) and interesting carrier

Joined: August 31st, 2003, 10:50 am

June 16th, 2012, 8:25 am #1

Here, that's what I found today:

Is this a regular camouflage? If so, which colours? Or is it just mud?



Never seen this carrier-version before. Any specifications available from the Knowing?



Thanks in advance,
Richard
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Joined: August 28th, 2007, 10:44 pm

June 16th, 2012, 8:39 am #2

Richard

The carrier in the second photo is a Light Dragon, used as a gun tractor.

Andy Lang
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Joined: June 2nd, 2005, 6:35 pm

June 16th, 2012, 8:49 am #3


Dragon Lights, Mk III D1922 - D1961 contract T.3022

Cheers
Kevin
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 1:37 pm

June 16th, 2012, 12:10 pm #4

Used primarily for towing the 18-25 field gun and limber.
Developed in 1935, initally as a Machine Gun Carrier, it was developed for use as atowing vehicle for the field gun.
Preference for wheeled (4WD) vehicles for towing the guns led to their demise after 68 were converted.
They did however form a good "test bed" for the development of the carrier, Scout/Bren/Universal.

It is possible that all those available went to France in 1939, no record of how many returned, so it is assumed that all were lost.

George.


This is my Tamiya kit conversion with a scratch-built 18-25pdr gun.

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Joined: June 2nd, 2005, 6:35 pm

June 16th, 2012, 12:24 pm #5

Hi George,

Thanks for the additional information.
I have the following listed:-

D1800 - D1827 contract T.3022 28
D1922 - D1961 contract T.3022 40

These are the 68 you mentioned I take it but I also have a reference

D1841 - D1890 ex W.258/36 50

Great work on the conversion by the way.

Cheers
Kevin
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Joined: February 27th, 2005, 1:37 pm

June 16th, 2012, 2:20 pm #6

Hi Kevin,
According to Vol 1 of Nigel Watsons series on carriers, the following info is given:

Vickers Armstrong
D1800 to 1827 (28)
D1922 to 1961 (40)
D1984 (1)
This actually totals 69.

The contact to ROF for 50 units was cancelled.

Of 69 (?) produced:
D1801 sold to Canada
D1826 and 1827 sold to Egypt
D1984 sold to Australia.

D1944 was retained (???)

The listing of vehicles as follows:
Possibly 1st and 2nd RHA with the BEF
D1803 to 1808 (6)
D1820 and 1823 (4)
D1922 to 1943 (22)
D1945 to 1961 (17)

IF my math is OK, the total sent with the BEF was 49.

Exported and retained 5

This leaves a balance of 15.

I have seen examples of the MkII with the 2pdr in overseas service, but no MkIII.

George.





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Joined: July 12th, 2005, 8:15 pm

June 16th, 2012, 2:52 pm #7

Hi George, have you by any chance seen the movie "There be dragons" your heading makes me wonder, great Spanish civil war movie.

Just wondering.
Steve
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Joined: July 12th, 2005, 8:15 pm

June 16th, 2012, 2:53 pm #8

Hi Kevin,
According to Vol 1 of Nigel Watsons series on carriers, the following info is given:

Vickers Armstrong
D1800 to 1827 (28)
D1922 to 1961 (40)
D1984 (1)
This actually totals 69.

The contact to ROF for 50 units was cancelled.

Of 69 (?) produced:
D1801 sold to Canada
D1826 and 1827 sold to Egypt
D1984 sold to Australia.

D1944 was retained (???)

The listing of vehicles as follows:
Possibly 1st and 2nd RHA with the BEF
D1803 to 1808 (6)
D1820 and 1823 (4)
D1922 to 1943 (22)
D1945 to 1961 (17)

IF my math is OK, the total sent with the BEF was 49.

Exported and retained 5

This leaves a balance of 15.

I have seen examples of the MkII with the 2pdr in overseas service, but no MkIII.

George.




Hi George, have you by any chance seen the movie "There be dragons" your heading makes me wonder, great Spanish civil war movie.

Just wondering.
Steve
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Joined: August 31st, 2003, 10:50 am

June 16th, 2012, 3:12 pm #9

Richard

P.S: Now someone for the A13 camo...
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Joined: April 28th, 2005, 2:06 pm

June 16th, 2012, 3:35 pm #10

Here, that's what I found today:

Is this a regular camouflage? If so, which colours? Or is it just mud?



Never seen this carrier-version before. Any specifications available from the Knowing?



Thanks in advance,
Richard
This may be a case of Khaki Green 3 and Light Green No.5. If it is then it is the first example I have seen on a Cruiser tank. Pretty rough application too.
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