AMPS question about levels of builders catregories

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AMPS question about levels of builders catregories

Joined: March 2nd, 2005, 12:02 am

May 1st, 2012, 2:41 pm #1

What are the qualification to be at basic or intermediate or other levels.How are they determined?I have never entered at AMPS before.Attended the last 2 at Auburn Indiana.Thanks.
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Joined: January 31st, 2009, 1:06 am

May 1st, 2012, 3:10 pm #2

Bob,

Here's the excerpt from the AMPS Rules that concerns that question:

"When a modeler first enters an AMPS International competition and is unsure of his status, the Chief Judge or his designated representative will examine the model entry to ascertain the displayed skill level of the modeler. Based on this examination, the Chief Judge or his representative will suggest a skill level. While this recommendation should be heeded, the modeler is free to enter at any of the three main skill levels (BASIC, INTERMEDIATE, or ADVANCED) desired as long as he meets the conditions for that skill level."

Essentially, the modeler "self-declares" his or her skill level the first time. The Chief Judge (often delegated to one of the Ram Rods) can help and provide advice, but the modeler has the final choice in determining his skill-level for the show the first time. There is no requirement to start at the Basic or Intermediate Levels, but if a model-builder is adament in entering at a higher level than his work is actually at, he's liable to be disappointed by the judging results and scores he earns.

Once a modeler has entered the competition for the first time, then advancement between skill levels follows this rule:

"Advancement of Skill Levels. Advancement of skill levels occurs when a modeler achieves a Gold medal in their current level in an AMPS International Convention. BASIC level modeler advances to the INTERMEDIATE level upon winning a Gold Medal in the BASIC level of competition and INTERMEDIATE level modeler moves to the ADVANCED level upon winning a Gold Medal in the INTERMEDIATE level of competition. ADVANCED level modelers can reach the MASTERS level by earning the "Judges' Best of Show" award at the AMPS International Convention."

Essentially here, earning a gold medal in either basic or intermediate advances the modeler to the next higher level at his or her next show.

Advance skill-level modelers can only advance to Masters by winning the Judge's Best of Show (one winner each year), so the Master's level is pretty rarified company. (Participants cannot "self-declare" their skill-level as Masters when entering for the first time.)

The complete rules can be found herehttp://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contestRules.aspx

Hope this answers your question,

Mike Roof
Chapter Contact
AMPS Central SC
www.ampscentralsouthcarolina.org

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May 1st, 2012, 3:16 pm #3

What are the qualification to be at basic or intermediate or other levels.How are they determined?I have never entered at AMPS before.Attended the last 2 at Auburn Indiana.Thanks.
Bob,

look here -

http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contestRules.aspx

oops - just saw that Mike had already posted the link!

Chuck
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May 1st, 2012, 5:13 pm #4

I could not seem to find info on AMPS site.
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May 1st, 2012, 11:42 pm #5

Bob,

Mike Roof pretty much hit the nail on the head. I would roughly put basic as someone in their first years or so of modeling at a steady rate of 5 models a year. Intermediate 3 to 7 years and Advanced anything beyond (There is no slack). These are of course guesstimates.

Chuck put up the link, www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/contestRules.aspx

here is an outtake.

Competition Skill Levels


The AMPS system uses five competitive levels which groups modelers with similar skills. The criteria for these five skill levels are:


JUNIOR - modelers age 17 or younger who do not wish to compete in one of the other categories. Modelers who are 17 or younger are free to compete in other skill levels but are not compelled to do so.


BASIC modelers new to the hobby or with basic modeling skills. The BASIC level is the introductory level to the AMPS system. Modelers at this level generally build their models with minimal tweaks, and often have never competed before or are new to the hobby. It allows members who are developing their modeling skills to be evaluated and encouraged through the feedback provided by the AMPS judging system. As with all other entrants, BASIC Level entrants are encouraged to volunteer for judging.


INTERMEDIATE modelers with average to above average skill. Modelers at this level generally make some modifications or conversion to their work or use commercial upgrades. INTERMEDIATE modelers may have been promoted from BASIC, won awards at other shows, or chose to enter at this level from the start. An INTERMEDIATE modeler is someone to whom some or all of the following apply:

Adds photo-etched and/or resin details
Uses aftermarket conversion kits
Scratchbuilds details and makes modifications to accurize kits
Uses reference material for ideas and accurizing
Improves models by cross-kitting
Builds full resin kits
Displays models on complementary bases or with figures

ADVANCED modelers with more highly-developed skills, whose entries are heavily reworked, accurized, or include non-commercial parts or modifications. The evaluations of this class are more strenuous. An ADVANCED modeler does most of the things expected of INTERMEDIATE level modelers plus some or all of the following:

Scratchbuilds, using references
Casts own replacement parts
Builds and paints at a high skill level
Presents models on elaborate bases, sometimes with accompanying information
Uses materials and space artistically
MASTERS - modelers who have won Judges Best of Show at the AMPS International Convention. These modelers consistently demonstrate themselves to be the very best in all aspects of armor model building.

Advancement of Skill Levels. Advancement of skill levels occurs when a modeler achieves a Gold medal in their current level in an AMPS International Convention. BASIC level modeler advances to the INTERMEDIATE level upon winning a Gold Medal in the BASIC level of competition and INTERMEDIATE level modeler moves to the ADVANCED level upon winning a Gold Medal in the INTERMEDIATE level of competition. ADVANCED level modelers can reach the MASTERS level by earning the "Judges' Best of Show" award at the AMPS International Convention.

When a modeler first enters an AMPS International competition and is unsure of his status, the Chief Judge or his designated representative will examine the model entry to ascertain the displayed skill level of the modeler. Based on this examination, the Chief Judge or his representative will suggest a skill level. While this recommendation should be heeded, the modeler is free to enter at any of the three main skill levels (BASIC, INTERMEDIATE, or ADVANCED) desired as long as he meets the conditions for that skill level.

Hope that helps

Pete
CJ 2012
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May 2nd, 2012, 11:30 am #6

I wouldn't think the number of years a person is active in the hobby nor the amount of models built in any given year are a standard to apply to skill level. In theory one's skill level should improve with experience, but that is not always the case. This coming from a diorama builder, as I have never entered a show with a just a lone model to display.
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May 2nd, 2012, 1:00 pm #7

Have entered aircraft at various shows and won bronze or silver.Entered few armor pieces,5 or less, never won anything.
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May 2nd, 2012, 1:49 pm #8

Bob,
By all means go to the show. There are guys there who judge and help with this very question. Ask them hey where should I enter. Also I have been to many AMPS shows and have been entering all along. Enter in the lower class your first go if you gold your moved up to the next class anyway. It's the old saying get your feet wet then dive in. Hope this helps and on the Atlanta GA.. Brock
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May 2nd, 2012, 2:53 pm #9

I wouldn't think the number of years a person is active in the hobby nor the amount of models built in any given year are a standard to apply to skill level. In theory one's skill level should improve with experience, but that is not always the case. This coming from a diorama builder, as I have never entered a show with a just a lone model to display.
The rules are exactly as they have been cited here, no more and no less. First time entrants determine the skill level that they want to enter at.

Pete's description of the amount of "hands-on" experience that a modeler at a particular skill level MIGHT have is only made as a suggestion in order to help someone to more easily estimate their own skill level when thinking about entering an AMPS show for the first time. That is, Pete was just trying to provide some "common ground" context for what "basic," "intermediate," and "advanced" might mean to most model builders. Individual modelers do, of course, vary widely in their skills and abilities and how fast or slow they develope those same characteristics.

BTW: This is the whole point of the break down by skill-level at AMPS shows. It is to put the model-builder's work into the context of his or her own, individual development and to then provide that builder with acknowledgement, recognition, and feedback for improvement appropriate to that individual level. The object here, unlike many other contests or shows, is NOT to decide the "best" model in any category, but rather to help each entrant to improve his or her skill and craft. Medals are awarded to recognize the model builder's skill and craft and not necessarilly to recognize any particular model displayed. (This is the reason why only one medal is awarded to any individual in any given category regardless of the number of entries that modler might have in that category. AMPS recognizes THE MODELER'S best effort. A matter of semantics perhaps, but also the underlying principle.)

Bottom line, if you (or any other potential entrant) wants to enter your first AMPS show as an Advanced skill-level modeler (or any other skill-level except Masters), then you can do so. How many years you've been modeling and how many models you have built has nothing to do with it. You decide.

If you're not sure, ask, and someone (the CJ or, most likely, a Ram Rod) will offer suggestions to help you.

In the end, though, you decide.

HTH,
Mike
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May 2nd, 2012, 6:33 pm #10

Bob,
One other thing to remember. You are not competing against anyone else. Your judged against yourself. Not for what you didn't do but for what you did. Also if you decide to go set through Mike Pettys judging class. It will help you understand what they look for and how they score. I hope this helps. Brock
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