"40+8" Railcar scales

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"40+8" Railcar scales

Joined: September 20th, 2003, 3:28 pm

April 3rd, 2012, 12:13 am #1

Does anyone have or can tell me where I can access scale drawings for the French/European "40+8" Railcar? Vintage Pre-WW1 to probably after WWII Thanks Regards bobC
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Joined: January 29th, 2006, 7:01 pm

April 3rd, 2012, 12:54 am #2

Maybe the SNCF site?

There isn't likely much here because US railroad technology was already way past these designs by 1917.

There is one preserved at Camp Perry OH. Leave a day early for AMPS and check it out. I think there is also one at the Virginia War Museum in Newport News VA.

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Joined: September 25th, 2005, 5:59 am

April 3rd, 2012, 2:44 am #3

Does anyone have or can tell me where I can access scale drawings for the French/European "40+8" Railcar? Vintage Pre-WW1 to probably after WWII Thanks Regards bobC
Scope their European model RR lines if a 3-D model would help.

If our French railfan brethren are anything like the local variety, their websites should have plenty of info and probably drawings, or at least locals who can access them from their hobby press. I'd try google.fr
Apologies for that, I hate "google it" answers but you get very different results by using the national suffixes. If you can't work out French, maybe one of our francophone members here can point you in the right direction.

If I may ask, what are you plotting?
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Joined: January 19th, 2011, 7:01 am

April 3rd, 2012, 12:11 pm #4

Does anyone have or can tell me where I can access scale drawings for the French/European "40+8" Railcar? Vintage Pre-WW1 to probably after WWII Thanks Regards bobC
The "40 + 8" designation (40 Men 8 horses) appeared in 1875 and it was used until 1951 so you can find it stenciled on many types of French box cars. If you have in mind the boxcars used with the 1949 French Gratitude Train, they were "Wagon couvert type PLM" boxcars, as pictured here :
http://tvnp.rail-france.org/wag_couv_PLM.html

Many were built before 1914.. Maybe you could use "Wagon couvert PLM" as a search criteria ?

The ubiquitous WW2 boxcars used with the infamous Holocaust trains were often "Wagon couvert OCEM 29" boxcars. Here's a scale drawing (just remove the final x) :
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4063 ... 22rc1.jpgx

HTH

H.P.




Last edited by Henri-Pierre Mas on April 3rd, 2012, 12:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Joined: February 28th, 2005, 5:19 am

April 3rd, 2012, 3:51 pm #5

Does anyone have or can tell me where I can access scale drawings for the French/European "40+8" Railcar? Vintage Pre-WW1 to probably after WWII Thanks Regards bobC
If you're ever there you can see it in person.



http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM60 ... sno_CA_USA
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Joined: September 25th, 2005, 5:59 am

April 3rd, 2012, 3:57 pm #6

Reading the above reminded me that I've seen these in Maine and the B&O museum in Baltomore. After the train made its rounds, the individual cars were offered to the states they were named for.
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Joined: September 20th, 2003, 3:28 pm

April 3rd, 2012, 6:32 pm #7

This will help a lot. Henri it is the info on the cars the Nazi's/Vichy used to ship the French Jewish children to Auschwitz in Aug '44 (I think)

I may be building a 3'-ish model of a car for a photographer/artist friend

again thanks, regards bobC
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Joined: January 19th, 2011, 7:01 am

April 4th, 2012, 7:31 am #8

Bob

This guy has scratchbuilt a 1/32nd scale OCEM 29 boxcar. Even it is not as detailed as it could be, maybe this would help with your project ?

http://bischoff.robert.pagesperso-orang ... M%2029.pdf

Another 2-view drawing :

http://www.hobby-trains.fr/8320-thickbo ... 9-est.jpgx

HTH

H.P.

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Joined: September 25th, 2005, 5:59 am

April 4th, 2012, 3:41 pm #9

This will help a lot. Henri it is the info on the cars the Nazi's/Vichy used to ship the French Jewish children to Auschwitz in Aug '44 (I think)

I may be building a 3'-ish model of a car for a photographer/artist friend

again thanks, regards bobC
One of the most professional establishments around, their archives are said to be excellent. Someone there might well be able to point you toward someone/thing.
As it happens, I'm no closer to the place than you are or I'd be willing.

Souns like a very interesting project, keep us posted.
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Joined: September 20th, 2003, 3:28 pm

April 4th, 2012, 6:35 pm #10

Bob

This guy has scratchbuilt a 1/32nd scale OCEM 29 boxcar. Even it is not as detailed as it could be, maybe this would help with your project ?

http://bischoff.robert.pagesperso-orang ... M%2029.pdf

Another 2-view drawing :

http://www.hobby-trains.fr/8320-thickbo ... 9-est.jpgx

HTH

H.P.
The second link is dead? and I would like to see the additional drawing....Thanks for that first link-very helpful-Regards bobC
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