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June 1st, 2018, 12:41 am #261

Anyone foolish enough to bet on Marvin Lewis leaving deserves to go broke.

Marvin Lewis, ex-Bengals among odds-on favorites to be first NFL head coach fired
Dave Clark - Cincinnati Enquirer - Published 2:41 p.m. ET May 31, 2018 | Updated 2:42 p.m.

You don't want to see your name on this list.
Odds and prop bets for the 2018 National Football League season are available at many sports betting sites, and four of the five head coaches most likely to be the first fired - according to SportsBettingDime.com - are names familiar to Cincinnati Bengals fans.

Hue Jackson (Browns) 5/1
Dirk Koetter (Buccaneers) 7/1
Vance Joseph (Broncos) 7/1
Marvin Lewis (Bengals) 9/1
Jay Gruden (Washington) 9/1

In early January, Bengals head coach Lewis was re-signed to a two-year deal through the 2019 season despite reports in December that he had decided not to enter contract negotiations to coach the team in 2018.


https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 660578002/

How can it not be common knowledge at this point? Mike Brown will never fire, leave un-signed, or otherwise part ways with Marvin Lewis. Never, ever, never.
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June 1st, 2018, 7:59 pm #262

I don't think that outfit understands the culture in this town that years and years of losing produces.  Mikey is in it to make money and turn a profit and if by the grace of God a winning team drops in his lap he'll take it - he's not going to knock himself out to go get it.
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June 1st, 2018, 9:40 pm #263

I know that analysts and sports writers have to write about something...but I think a Cricket Match in Bombey would be more interesting than another "Why Marvin Lewis should be fired" article. I think we have heard every single lameazzed reason why Marv should have been fired for the last 15 years, correct?

HAS SOMETHING NEW THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD OF BEFORE BEEN SAID? NEW WAY OF FIRING??!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nah, I didn't think so. Find something new. I mean after all, the US Patent Office was wrong in 1899 when it said "every invention that could be invented has been invented"...or we could just ignore this subject altogether and be semi-shocked when it does happen.

MF'er man.
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June 23rd, 2018, 3:14 am #264

Turns out there's another betting site that bizarrely puts Marvin Lewis high on the hot seat list. And Scott Polacek twice gets my goat. (See the continuity thread.) When does Hobson cover this same story while mentioning bell-cows?
NFL Betting Odds: Hue Jackson, Adam Gase Top List of 1st Coach to Be Fired
Scott Polacek - Bleacher Report - June 19, 2018

Las Vegas apparently doesn’t believe in Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson or Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase.

As OddsShark shared Tuesday, with the 2018 season approaching, the two coaches topped the opening list of odds for the first NFL head coach to be fired. Not far behind are Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis, who is still looking for his first playoff win in Cincinnati, and Denver Broncos head coach Vance Joseph.


Lewis stands out as one of the veteran names on the list, especially since there was serious discussion this offseason about whether the Bengals would retain him in his current position. The 2018 season will be his 16th at the helm of the team, and while he’s made the playoffs seven times, he has never advanced past the AFC Wild Card Round.

Cincinnati is also a lackluster 13-18-1 the last two seasons, although owner Mike Brown pointed to "continuity" when discussing why he kept Lewis, per Jim Owczarski of the Cincinnati Enquirer.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781 ... o-be-fired
First BettingDime, now OddsShark. Two sites that don't inspire confidence. But they do provide a little interdenominational BettingContinuity.

By the way, Mike Brown will never part ways with Marvin Lewis. You can bet your sweet bippy on it.
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June 30th, 2018, 9:01 pm #265

This entry reminds me of why I maintain this thread. To preserve what's left of my sanity.
The Hottest Hot Seat for Every NFL Team in 2018

Maurice Moton - Bleacher Report  - June 28, 2018

Every year, there's a job to secure. After all, the old adage, "What have you done for me lately?" isn't just a cliche passed around NFL circles. Some players and coaches will feel the heat from their seats before summer practices in August.

Starters feel the pressure to maintain their prominent positions, making it easier to leverage for extensions and lucrative deals on the free-agent market. For others, it's about surviving the offseason for spots on the 53-man rosters. Ultimately, coaches take the blame for disappointing seasons, putting their job security in jeopardy.

It's never comfortable to be on the hot seat, but at times, it provides the motivation needed for a breakthrough.

Each team has at least one player or coach on its hottest seat going into a crucial 2018 season. Who's on the roster bubble? Where could we see new starters? Which coaches approach the year with their jobs on the line? ...

Cincinnati Bengals: HC Marvin Lewis]

7 of 32

In December, it seemed as though head coach Marvin Lewis' tenure with the Cincinnati Bengals would come to an end.

The Bengals won their last two games against the Detroit Lions and Ravens, which saved Lewis' job. Owner Mike Brown told Jim Owczarski of the Cincinnati Enquirer that he saw the victories as a sign of progress:

"I would say that while we had serious reverses and they were unsettling, to put it mildly, we bounced back at the end of the year. We beat two teams that were in playoff runs. We beat them in games that were important for them where they gave their best shot and I was impressed how we rebounded. That played into what was in my mind when I had to make a final call."

Lewis signed a two-year extension in January. However, the pressure to deliver something beyond an AFC North title remains. Despite seven postseason appearances under their head coach, the Bengals haven't won a playoff game. After four double-digit-win campaigns between 2012-15, Cincinnati went 13-18-1 in the last two terms.

After Brown's change of heart, Bengals fans probably think Lewis would survive another disappointing season. However, a third consecutive term as a sub-.500 club would likely put an end to his 16-year tenure.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2782 ... 018#slide7
No it would not. I swear, the scribes must have started life as those little kids who couldn't complete a Connect the Dots game properly. They draw a straight line between the two closest, nevermind that one has a 7 right next to it and the other a 208.

At this point it couldn't it be more obvious. Mike Brown will never part ways with Marvin Lewis. Hell, even Owzarski knows that now, and he was quoted in the piece
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July 1st, 2018, 12:23 am #266

""I would say that while we had serious reverses and they were unsettling, to put it mildly, we bounced back at the end of the year. We beat two teams that were in playoff runs. We beat them in games that were important for them where they gave their best shot and I was impressed how we rebounded. That played into what was in my mind when I had to make a final call."

This is a tease that mikey has been using since the Dave Shula days - getting the sheep to think that because we won the last few meanlingless games that they turned the corner.  The ones still here at MBS know that but for some strange reason others outside this thread either haven't bought it or refuse to.
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July 15th, 2018, 1:12 am #267

Another blogger who cannot tell the difference between should be on the hot seat with is on the hot seat.
Seven NFL Coaches That Are On The Hot Seat To Start 2018
David Hess - Winners and Whiners - July 2, 2018

In baseball, it's almost time for the All-Star break. But, to me, that means something else. Namely, it says the NFL season is right around the corner. This year is shaping up to be one of the most fun campaigns in recent memory.  There have been plenty of player moves, with good prospects coming via the draft, established veterans changing teams and plenty of new units that will be trying to figure out how to challenge this year. And organizations that fail to meet expectations often feel a change in leadership at the top is needed. Let's take a look at seven head coaches who just might be looking for a new gig after the season is over. And, in some cases, it may be even earlier than that.

Marvin Lewis Is The President Of The Hot Seat Club

The Cincinnati Bengals have made the playoffs in seven of Marvin Lewis’ 15 years at the helm of the team. That's pretty good. But in those seven tries, they have failed to win even once. That's really bad. What's even worse is they've gone just 13-18-1 over their last two seasons. The offense has been one of the worst in the league the previous two years, despite the fact that they have had Andy Dalton at quarterback and A.J. Green at wide receiver. They just can’t get their offense going and it has cost them. Every year it seems Lewis is the President of the Hot Seat Club and every year he somehow survives. But the grumbling in Cincinnati has gotten louder, and this just may be the year. However, keep in mind, Bengals fans, right up until the moment his butt hits the ground, Charlie Brown really believes THIS time Lucy will hold the football. As a side note, if Lewis goes, Dalton will also disappear faster than a bowl of 5-Way Skyline Chili.   

https://winnersandwhiners.com/news/nfl/ ... 018-61639/
Mike Brown will never part ways with Marvin Lewis. You can bet on it.
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July 25th, 2018, 12:46 am #268

Here we are with the inevitable post mortem on last year's hot seat blather.
Lewis looks to keep surprising
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - Tuesday, Jul 24, 2018 08:20 AM

https://www.bengals.com/news/lewis-look ... surprising

This is what Marvin Lewis does best.

There was the “Re-Birth of 2003,” when he overhauled a dormant franchise in his image and led the Bengals to the biggest turnaround that year from 2-14 to 8-8 and their first non-losing season in seven years.

There was the “Re-Boot of 2011,” in the wake of an inexplicable 4-12 train wreck and turning to a rookie wide receiver and rookie quarterback in a new offense to replace two staples in Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer. They went 9-7 with A.J. Green and Andy Dalton and started a run of five straight postseasons.

Now call this the “Reincarnation of 2018.” It doesn’t rely on his sheer will and vision like it did in ’03 or young stars like ’11, but on a new all-star coaching staff re-shaping and, in one case, re-doing the playbooks.
 
Should be the "Re-Re-Boot of 2018". There is a certain tendency toward wordplay afoot!
Lewis, who reportedly had his bags packed, boxes taped and desk emptied as Dalton and wide receiver Tyler Boyd gave him his 125th NFL coaching victory in the last seconds of last season in Baltimore, is doing what nobody thought he would be doing.
Presumably Hobson is just being figurative here. Bags packed? Come on.
He stands ready to check in Tuesday at his 16th training camp media luncheon, just one of five men (Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher, John Fox) to win 125 games in this century. He’s already shocked the pundits by returning and if he does it again by winning nine games he’ll pass Fox and Fisher on the list. No one gives the Bengals a shot to make a shot. But then, no one thought Lewis would be back to give it another shot.
Some of us were well aware that Lewis was going to hang around. Call it one long continuous shot he's still working on. Also, please take a glance at this thread's opening post again, and note well the final name on the very extensive list of scribes.
But he is because, “You coach in the National Football League to become world champions and with this team we have the ability to do that.”

Even if Bengals president Mike Brown wanted him back, wasn’t Lewis gone anyway? Didn’t the pundits say he was looking to get kicked upstairs to a GM? And if not, hadn’t he cut back on his foundation in Cincinnati, didn’t he have a grandchild waiting in Arizona and wouldn’t he turn 60 when the Bengals play in Carolina on Sept. 23? Lewis admits he had a walk-in-the-woods moment before deciding to come back after conversations with Brown.

“Yeah, I think we all went through that. That’s part of where I am in my career,” said Lewis this week as he preps for Thursday’s first practice. “As we kept saying, Mike and I were going to have a discussion at the end of the year and we had a number of discussions. There is always two parts of those decisions. Both parties agree to agree and we came to that conclusion.”
It was their usual ritual (and tedious!) mating dance, except this time it was just a smidge more elaborate.
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July 26th, 2018, 12:06 am #269

Another hot seat post mortem combined with a double-dipper. Wow.

Was bringing back Marvin Lewis an insane move? Bengals will soon see.
John Clay - Lexington Herald-Leader - July 24, 2018 04:26 PM
Must be speaking of Albert Einstein's definition of insanity. Old news. Verrrrrrrry old news.
CINCINNATI -- The Cincinnati Bengals held their annual pre-camp mock turtle soup/orange sherbet luncheon on Tuesday at Paul Brown Stadium, and you’ll never guess who was in attendance.

Marvin Lewis.

Didn’t see that one coming, did you?
Oh, yes I did!
Not late last season, anyway, when the Bengals were headed for their second consecutive losing season and conventional wisdom held that surely owner Mike Brown would pull the plug on Lewis’ 15-year run and turn the franchise over to a fresh voice.
Most certainly did too (!) see that one coming last season.
Alas, the Bengals ended the playoff aspirations of Detroit and Baltimore in the final two weeks and Brown surprised/disappointed his fan base by signing Lewis a two-year contract.

“It’s a very sturdy relationship,” said Brown at Tuesday’s luncheon, the only time he regularly meets with the media. “We know each other. We’re comfortable with each other. I think he can right our ship this year and go forward the way we want.”

OK, but isn’t there an old adage about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results?

Not that Lewis has been a failure, mind you. His record is 125-112-3. He has coached the Bengals to the playoffs seven times, including a streak of five consecutive appearances from 2011 through 2015. He has brought stability and modest success to a franchise that was a popular punchline before his arrival.

That was in 2003, however. Lewis has never won a playoff game. And the last two seasons, the Bengals were 6-9-1 and 7-9. Bless the Browns, says Who Dey Nation. Without Cleveland, the Bengals would have assumed the key to the AFC North cellar.

Mike Brown looks at this differently, of course. Yes, the 2018 Bengals have the same head coach as the 2017 Bengals, but they have been repackaged with different coordinators in Bill Lazor on offense and Teryl Austin on defense. Lazor didn’t assume OC duties until the third week of last season. Austin was Detroit’s defensive boss the last four seasons.

“We’re doing a lot of things differently. I don’t know that the public understands that,” Brown said. “We have put in a whole new offensive system. We’ve put in a whole new defensive system. When you do that in pro football, that’s big. But that goes under the radar because it isn’t the head coach.”

After the Bengals somehow failed to score a touchdown the first two games last year, the 46-year-old Lazor replaced the ousted Ken Zampese. Not that the offense took off under Lazor’s leadership. If finished last in the NFL in total offense (280.5 yards per game) and 26th in points per game (18.1).

Fingers were pointed at the offensive line. So the Bengals acquired offensive tackle Cordy Glenn from Buffalo, used their first-round draft pick, No. 21 overall, to nab Ohio State center Billy Price, then hired a new line coach in Frank Pollack.

Defensively, the Bengals ranked 18th in yards allowed in 2017 before coordinator Paul Guenther joined Jon Gruden in Oakland. Meanwhile, Detroit was ninth in total defense last year under Austin. One contrasting stat: Cincinnati’s defense had 14 takeaways last season; Detroit’s had 32.

Still, the brightest light still shines on the head coach. The Sept. 8 opener at Indianapolis marks Lewis’ 16th season as the Bengals head coach. Only Bill Belichick, hired by New England in 2000, has been at one place longer. No matter how you slice it, 16 years is a long time.

“Most importantly, from Jon Kitna to Carson (Palmer) to Andy (Dalton), I’ve been blessed to have these quarterbacks that allow you to do that,” Lewis said. “They’re your lifeblood of your football team. How they play and how they carry the football team gives you as the head coach the opportunity. Because when you’re changing quarterbacks all the time, you’re probably changing head coaches, as well.”

No change in Cincinnati. Andy Dalton is the quarterback. Marvin Lewis is the head coach. For better or worse, when it comes to leadership, the Bengals opted for continuity over change; boring over bold.

Insanity?

“I know the call was controversial,” Brown said. “If it’ll prove out or not, we’ll see. I think it will.”

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-col ... 41855.html

And it goes in the offseason continuity thread as well. The two topics blend seamlessly together, that is true.
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August 1st, 2018, 1:26 am #270

It never ends. Jason La Confora pretends the Bungs are a normal franchise. All to have a throw-away line or two. About a team he clearly doesn't pay much attention to.

Every team's quarterback subplot as 2018 NFL training camps get ready to begin
Joe Flacco's last stand? Jimmy G's continued rise? Kirk Cousins or bust? It's all about the quarterbacks

Jason La Canfora - CBS Sports -  Jul 18, 2018

Cincinnati Bengals

Could well be the last stand for Andy Dalton and Marvin Lewis. If they don't cull much more from the young skill players they have drafted the past few years, it probably will be.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ever ... -to-begin/
There's no "probably" or "could well be" about it. Mike Brown will never part ways with either Marvin Lewis or Andy Dalton.
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