Ron Paul, the 13th floor in a hotel

Ron Paul, the 13th floor in a hotel

Joined: November 11th, 2007, 4:24 am

December 27th, 2011, 5:17 am #1

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December 27th, 2011, 5:26 am #2

We even have Mike Huckabee of Fox News essentially say that he would rather vote for Barak Obama than for Ron Paul.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hate-mail-al ... ack-obama/

He cited that Ron Pauls foriegn policy was "extreme" and said that the average American does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon, as if Ron Paul does want them to have a nuclear weapon.

So what say you? Is Ron Paul really that "out there" for the press to hate him so much, whether it be left wing or right winged media?
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Joined: January 28th, 2007, 11:34 am

December 27th, 2011, 6:25 am #3

That Quizno's bit was f*cking funny.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence
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December 27th, 2011, 6:52 am #4

I will give Ron Paul this - I think he is the only candidate on the right that actually believes what he says. He comes off as incredibly honest to me. The others (and many from the left) are merely puppets.

I dont agree with him as it relates to tort reform and a majority of social issues.

I think Newt wants to say what he really believes, but he knows he will get crushed for doing so. (Newt is a big compromiser behind the scenes).

Grover Norquist is slowly but surely killing any Republicans chances at the Presidential level and soon it will start hurting them on the Senate level.

By mandating that it is ABSOLLUTELY necessary to pander to the far right (at the expense of the moderate middle) he is solidifying that the highest percentage his candidates will get (in a national election) is 40 - 48%.

Never raise taxes for the wealthy? Actually, its never raise taxes on anybody??? Ever??? Its an idea that will not get them much heat when the deficit is low and the economy is great. But when its not...



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December 27th, 2011, 7:01 am #5

That Quizno's bit was f*cking funny.





"So he got fired? Big deal. It's happened to the best of us. So he got kicked out of his house by his 400 lb'ed wife?!?!? That's probably better for him anyways."-OldSchooler on ChrisMBHater's absence
It's a sad day when reason and sanity are thought to be "extreme". We're in the midst of many sad decades in this country.

Establishment Republicans don't like Ron Paul because he exposes their hypocrisies. Democrats don't like him because they know he's actually serious about reducing government. Neither side likes him because he makes it obvious how interchangeable they are.
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December 27th, 2011, 7:14 am #6

I will give Ron Paul this - I think he is the only candidate on the right that actually believes what he says. He comes off as incredibly honest to me. The others (and many from the left) are merely puppets.

I dont agree with him as it relates to tort reform and a majority of social issues.

I think Newt wants to say what he really believes, but he knows he will get crushed for doing so. (Newt is a big compromiser behind the scenes).

Grover Norquist is slowly but surely killing any Republicans chances at the Presidential level and soon it will start hurting them on the Senate level.

By mandating that it is ABSOLLUTELY necessary to pander to the far right (at the expense of the moderate middle) he is solidifying that the highest percentage his candidates will get (in a national election) is 40 - 48%.

Never raise taxes for the wealthy? Actually, its never raise taxes on anybody??? Ever??? Its an idea that will not get them much heat when the deficit is low and the economy is great. But when its not...



"Insert witty quotation here"
Hey Bronco, check this out:

<img alt="" src="http://reason.com/assets/mc/ngillespie/ ... dpjpeg.jpg" height="296" width="450">

http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/29/the-r ... e-amount-o

Whatever you do with tax rates, you're still going to get about 19% of the GDP in revenue. Raising taxes is not going to help balance the budget, period.
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December 27th, 2011, 7:17 am #7

It's a sad day when reason and sanity are thought to be "extreme". We're in the midst of many sad decades in this country.

Establishment Republicans don't like Ron Paul because he exposes their hypocrisies. Democrats don't like him because they know he's actually serious about reducing government. Neither side likes him because he makes it obvious how interchangeable they are.
I don't know Psycho. Everything I have seen in the last 6 months leads me to believe the Dems are serious about reducing the government. The problem lies in the Right's insistence (enter Grover Norquist) that no taxes accompany the cuts.

It seems to me the quickest way to reduce that deficit is to cut spending and raise revenue. The easiest way to raise revenue is to raise taxes. The wealthiest of all Americans got their tax cuts again with the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Where are the jobs they promised?

I have a hard time believing a party that says "when the economy is great, you must cut taxes" while also saying a few years later "when the economy is awful, you must cut taxes".

No one has every shown me dispositive proof that cutting taxes lowers the deficit/national debt or even creates more jobs than increasing spending (jobs bills/infrastructure bills/defense bills). At least not yet.

I havent met a Democrat yet that doesnt believe that welform reform should occur and that if implemented correctly, in the long run, will reduce spending. However, in order to reform welfare, at least initially, you need to increase spending on it (enforcement of fraud). After you start cracking down and Slowly decrease the types of people eligible, you can whittle that down to a more manageable level.

My point is that not all spending is bad. Many areas just need serious reform.
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December 27th, 2011, 8:19 am #8

Well, Bronco, you know this about me. I'm not going to defend the Republicans, especially not their fiscal policies. It's irresponsible to advocate government spending without establishing a way to pay for it. And that's exactly what the Repubs do. Unfortunately, that makes them exactly like the Democrats.

That graph I posted cuts both ways. If revenue is basically stuck at 19% of the GDP, lowering taxes isn't going to help balance the budget, either. The issue of tax cuts then becomes more of a lifestyle issue. I'd prefer to keep more of my money if it all works out the same.

Do balanced budgets help grow jobs? I don't know where to cite explicit proof that's easy for everyone (including me) to understand. It's the stuff that economists write long tracts about. I go by the (seemingly) logical argument that deferring debt ever increasingly into the future can only lead to trouble.

I've adopted a fairly mild form of libertarianism, preferring to see the government control only about 20% of the economy. So, yeah, some government spending is good. I haven't kept up with Norquist in years, but I used to think he was a 20-percenter guy, too.
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December 27th, 2011, 8:31 am #9

"I don't know Psycho. Everything I have seen in the last 6 months leads me to believe the Dems are serious about reducing the government."


By far--this is the most hilarious thing I've read on this board. Disgusting. But funny.





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December 27th, 2011, 1:31 pm #10

#1 Both sides are winning.

#2 Both sides support the Defense bill and that my friends is more than disturbing, and it is scary to watch the government continue to rape the American people with a smile on their face.

#3 Spending is the cancer and spreading the cancer is not going to cure the disease.

#4 The only people that can stop the destruction, are not willing to fight for themselves right now.
Society would rather be blind than look at the facts.
As long as they have Ipads and 200.00 shoes, they are happy for that week.

We have the most intelligent society on the planet, but lack common sense.
We have some of the most brilliant minds in this country and we get a bunch of spineless weasels to represent us.
The liberals will follow Mickey and the thumpers will toss out some generic puppet like Mitt.
Congress will continue the same game over and over and over and in 4 years from now, people will be kicking and screaming about the same old pointless issues while they continue to strip Americans of basic rights.




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