A Continual Continuation of Continuity: 2018 Offseason

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January 11th, 2018, 3:32 am #1

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread  where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread  which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
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January 11th, 2018, 3:41 am #2

Mike Brown himself speaks. If he said it back in 2016 you know he believes it now, given his constancy of conviction.
Coaching Conversations With Mike Brown
Dan Hoard - Bengals.com - Jan 8, 2018

Shortly before the 2016 season, I did a lengthy interview with Bengals president Mike Brown where we discussed the greatest coaches in Bengals history. I ended that interview with the following question:

Why is coaching continuity so important to you?

“The obvious thing is that when we are all singing from the same hymnbook and know the words it helps,” Mike told me. “You do things without having to ponder why. It’s incorporated in you and I think that’s a good thing not a bad thing. Yes, there’s the argument that change helps and I think periodically the people that argue that are correct, but I think when you look at the National Football League there’s way too much turnover. The owners turn over the coaches at the end of the year – about seven go every year, about a quarter of the coaches. It takes the heat off the owner, but I don’t think it’s justified in that many cases.”


http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/C ... 52921094be
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January 11th, 2018, 5:14 am #3

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
Data couldn't be tryna bitchslap Mike Brown harder.
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1991-2017 the putrid reign of Mikey Brown:
Record in Prime Time: 12 wins, 33 losses (0.267)
Record vs the Steelers: 14 wins, 42 losses (0.250)
Record vs AFC Playoff Teams: 32 wins, 116 losses (0.216)
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January 20th, 2018, 8:06 pm #4

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
Right from the horse's mouth.
Cincinnati Bengals owner Mike Brown explains why Marvin Lewis is back as head coach
Jim Owczarski - Cincinnati Enquirer - 1:59 p.m. ET Jan. 19, 2018 | Updated 2:50 p.m. ET Jan. 19, 2018

Enquirer: Why then did you feel he was still the guy to get that job done?

Brown: “I think he knows our situation well. He brings continuity. I don’t think he lost the football team. I think that was evidenced by the last couple games. The players like Marvin. They support him. I think that’s a good thing. The area where we have some making up to do is with our public. They are unsettled because they wanted to see more. And then it didn’t come through for them in the fashion they had expected or hoped; they began to make commentary and some of that was well, it’s Marvin, some of that was well, it’s Mike, some of that was whatever it was. I have to look beyond that. I have to just do what I think puts our team in the best position to win. Even if it is a short-term issue with our fans. I will tell you that it's all going to play out on the field here. And if we win, it will be great. If we don’t, you’ll be right back here asking why.”

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Enquirer: Marvin said one of the complications to a return was the coaching staff. Did you have to take stock of the entire staff – it’s not just a head coach issues, it’s everybody that needs to be re-evaluated?

Brown: “That’s how it presented itself. We had a clean slate. The order of work was head coach first. And then the process of settling on that, the assistant coaches were fending for themselves. Once Marvin was taken care of, we turned to the assistant coaching area. Some of our guys chose to leave. Some of them we chose to ask to leave. It was a big changeover. I think it’s around seven guys were moved in some fashion, maybe more. That’s unprecedented. We’ve had more changeover in the assistant coaching level than I can remember short of changing the head coach. That would bring a lot of fresh ideas in here. We’re in need of some fresh ideas. I look forward to how it will be put together a little differently than before. But we also retain a lot of continuity, and I think that’s important too. It’ll be a mix. It will be interesting to see if it plays out right. I think it will.”

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports ... 048725001/
That's a towfer from Mike Brown himself, compliments or Owczarski.
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January 20th, 2018, 8:12 pm #5

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
I've avoided making updates to these various ongoing threads because the forum system is all mucked up. My restraint has its limits, though.

Hopefully all the scribes who doubted their own reporting will finally believe, way deep down in their souls, that Mike Brown does indeed cherish continuity. They surely will be reminding themselves all offseason. Will it sink in this time?
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January 20th, 2018, 8:24 pm #6

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
The quality of this year's entries is quite impressive.
Bengals owner Mike Brown retained Marvin Lewis to provide 'continuity'
Katherine Terrell - ESPN - Jan 20, 2018 1:03 PM CT

CINCINNATI -- Bengals owner Mike Brown says the decision to bring Marvin Lewis back for a 16th season provides "continuity" despite a staff shakeup that saw defensive coordinator Paul Guenther leave, along with several other assistants.

In separate interviews with Bengals.com and the Cincinnati Enquirer, Brown said he did not want to make a decision about Lewis' future until the end of the season and that the Bengals' back-to-back wins against the Detroit Lions and Baltimore Ravens to end the season factored into the decision.

"I don't think he lost the football team. I think that was evidenced by the last couple games," Brown told the Cincinnati Enquirer. "The players like Marvin. They support him. I think that's a good thing.

"The area where we have some making up to do is with our public. They are unsettled because they wanted to see more. And then it didn't come through for them in the fashion they had expected or hoped; they began to make commentary and some of that was, well, it's Marvin. Some of that was, well, it's Mike. Some of that was whatever it was. I have to look beyond that. I have to just do what I think puts our team in the best position to win. Even if it is a short-term issue with our fans, I will tell you that it's all going to play out on the field here. And if we win, it will be great. If we don't, you'll be right back here asking why."

Brown discussed the future of both Lewis and the Bengals and said he had no plans to move the team from Cincinnati.

"I played a role in bringing it here. I played a role in keeping it here. I don't know if there's much more I can do," Brown told Bengals.com. "I would hazard to guess the Bengals will be here when I'm not."

Brown said he considers this season an "aberration" and thought Lewis was the best man to get the team back on track.

"I think it's correctable. I think we can rebound quicker with Marvin than with anybody else," he told Bengals.com "I think he deserved to be back because he's put a lot of his life here, and that matters to me."

Brown said he has identified several of the problems that hurt the team and most notably pinpointed the offensive line, saying they need a change up front. The Bengals parted ways with longtime offensive line coach Paul Alexander after the season, and he accepted the same job with the Dallas Cowboys shortly afterward.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2216 ... continuity
Another twofer double-quote from Mike Brown, counting the title.

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January 20th, 2018, 8:38 pm #7

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
It would be a crying shame if a good Mike Brown quotation didn't wind up on Bengals.com.
Brown wants Bengals only to move in standings while seeking fresh coaching ideas
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - Jan 19, 2018

And Brown thinks the staff Lewis has assembled is the first step in the climb back.

“We have people in here who will offer up some fresh ideas and I think we need some fresh ideas,” Brown said. “That will still allow us to have continuity. It will give us a boost. I think it’s a good thing. ...



Brown says the decision to bring back Lewis isn’t as unpopular as perceived with his mail running half and half. But doesn’t need the postal service to know the Bengals have to win to get back in the fans’ good graces. He didn’t make a business call to bring back Lewis. It was a football call based on Brown’s central philosophy of continuity. If there is change to be needed, he wants Lewis to direct it.

“I made the call for more than one reason,” Brown said. “It gives us our best chance to be successful this coming season. Marvin gives us continuity. That’s important in this league. I also made the call because I felt he deserved consideration for all the time and effort he has put in here. He’s been our head coach for 15 years. That ought to be to his credit. ...

A big reason Brown wants continuity is because he feels they’ve got a talented roster equivalent to elite teams like Pittsburgh. He looks at the 24-20 loss back on Dec. 4 in which the Bengals blew a 17-0 lead to the Steelers.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/B ... 600368b402
That's a fourfer.
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January 20th, 2018, 8:53 pm #8

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
"Below the belt" is a good way to put it.
Continuity is a Good Thing
Michael Brianwalker - Below The Belt Sports - January 8, 2018

When I heard the other day that Marvin Lewis would be coming back for a 16th season as coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, I was surprised. The guy has no playoff wins, and the Bengals have disappointed for the past two seasons. However, I cannot argue with the Bengals’ decision. Continuity is a very important thing for a team to have – most specifically continuity at quarterback, head coach, and general manager. We have heard stories of quarterbacks like Alex Smith cycling through coach after coach and offensive coordinator after offensive coordinator. Usually, this cycling does not result in great success on the field.

https://belowthebeltsports.com/2018/01/ ... ood-thing/
It sure is important to the Bungs. That's a threefer counting the title.
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January 21st, 2018, 12:43 am #9

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
Mike Brown's interview will reverberate around the media for the offseason, I predict. And that prediction is as easy to make as the one about Marvin Lewis staying on in Cincinnati.
Bengals owner finally explains why he decided to bring Marvin Lewis back
Bengals owner Mike Brown seems to be a huge fan of continuity

John Breech - CBS Sports -an 20, 2018

One of the most surprising coaching moves of the NFL offseason involved a move that didn't actually happen. ...

"I made the call for more than one reason," Brown said, via Bengals.com. "It gives us our best chance to be successful this coming season. Marvin gives us continuity. That's important in this league. I also made the call because I felt he deserved consideration for all the time and effort he has put in here. He's been our head coach for 15 years. That ought to be to his credit." ...
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A twofer counting the subtitle.
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January 22nd, 2018, 1:51 am #10

This gem of a quote is just too good to leave buried in the hot seat thread. From the Bengals Beat Podcast on January 2nd:
[32:24] This is who this who this organization is. They value continuity. They value loyalty. They believe in just doing the job better if they feel like they have the right people. And that's what won out here.

What won out was comfort and continuity. I think Mike Brown would be fine if Marvin Lewis is the last coach he ever sees, and he never has to fire another coach. I think we might have learned that today.

You just can't have more obvious chances to just move on than you had in '11 and you had today. It can't be more obvious. You can't have a bigger hit over the head.
[33:20].

https://audioboom.com/posts/6576635-ben ... is-is-back
I'm sure you recall our protracted 2016 offseason continuity thread where the scribes, local and national, continually reminded us of Mike Brown's beloved feeling for... well, continuity. And then there was our 2017 offseason continuity thread which tracked the continuation of the message.

Then came the end of the 2017 season and a brand new contract for Marvin Lewis. This led to the reaction quoted in part above. The scribes were admittedly "shocked" to discover that maybe, just maybe, Mike Brown really and truly does value continuity after all. Who could have imagined?

And now it is time to continue our own tradition and add to this, our 2018 thread.
Cincy Jungle is always a faithful participant in this endeavor.
Most questionable decisions from the Bengals’ assistant coach search
Anthony Cosenza - Cincy Jungle - Jan 10, 2018, 10:30am EST

And, if there’s anything Lewis and Mike Brown love, it’s continuity. So, while there’s a change at receivers coach, Bicknell and Lazor are pretty familiar with each other and it should pay off among the receivers.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/analysis/20 ... ing-search
Oh, how they love themselves some continuity.
Mike Brown confirms the Bengals’ last 2 wins helped save Marvin Lewis’ job
Patrick Judis - Cincy Jungle - Jan 19, 2018, 3:50pm EST

“I made the call for more than one reason,” Brown told the Bengals official site. “It gives us our best chance to be successful this coming season. Marvin gives us continuity. That’s important in this league. I also made the call because I felt he deserved consideration for all the time and effort he has put in here. He’s been our head coach for 15 years. That ought to be to his credit.”

“In my book (this season) was an aberration. I think it’s correctable. I think we can rebound quicker with Marvin than with anybody else … I think he deserved to be back because he’s put a lot of his life here, and that matters to me.”

There is so much wrong with all of this, especially the notion of continuity. The reason Lewis is the best man for the job is because he can keep this ship on the same course it has been on for the past 15 years.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/1/19/1 ... -lewis-job
Yes, yes, a million times, yes. There is indeed something wrong with this notion of continuity. Most certainly there is. Without a doubt. Indubitably. Because at certain times and in certain ways, it's the last thing you want. There's also a certain tedium to its repetition.
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