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April 7th, 2018, 1:52 am #31

One thing to understand about Brown, in addition to just not being good at what he does outside of keeping the family business in the black - he doesn't "believe" he can win a SB (or even get to one), he's admitted as much.  In his mind, going to SB's is about getting lucky, or spending more money than he's willing to.  So, it would "be nice" to get to a SB, but it's not expected nor viewed as an immediate goal (no matter what he says to the media).

His agenda is indeed the consistency that enables him to sell enough regular season tickets to stay profitable and viable in a small market, with limited ability to take financial risks.  Game day sales (concessions, merchandise, parking etc...,) are all his - THAT is what drives him from a roster/coaching standpoint - and Marvin has proven he can keep the $9 watery beers flowing at home.

The Reds' do the same thing.  I'm just surprised it's not talked about more in the local media or otherwise, as if these teams are just "unlucky" or "really trying" - they're running a for-profit family business in a small city, it's not a toy for some mega-billionaire. 

They don't care enough about winning to win, it really comes down to that.  So why should anyone else? It's hard to take either franchise seriously anymore.  They have honestly quit trying, they just want to run a profitable business, nothing more.
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April 13th, 2018, 1:01 am #32

Hot off the press.

Dalton eager to learn new offense
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - April 12, 2018 (36 minutes ago)

When Gruden left in 2014 to become head coach in Washington, Hue Jackson added his own West Coast wrinkles to Gruden’s playbook for the two seasons before he went to Cleveland as the head man. Ken Zampese, Dalton’s only quarterbacks coach, had been appointed for offensive continuity and Lazor inherited the playbook when Zampese was fired two games into his second season last year.

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/D ... f4e4febf73
Ah, yes. That offensive continuity rears it's ugly head again.
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April 13th, 2018, 2:47 pm #33

"When Gruden left in 2014 to become head coach in Washington, Hue Jackson added his own West Coast wrinkles to Gruden’s playbook for the two seasons before he went to Cleveland as the head man. Ken Zampese, Dalton’s only quarterbacks coach, had been appointed for offensive continuity and Lazor inherited the playbook when Zampese was fired two games into his second season last year."

Then we know this about 3 out of the 4 last Offensive Coordinators for the Bungles. That they were lazy as sh*t and lacked imagination.

It was sort of like a Michael Bay Movie: "Hey...what do we add here...?!??!?!?!?!?"

Assistant: "An explosion. As usual."

Bay: "I like your style. Rrrrrrriiiiiiight. An explosion. For no reason whatsoever. Done. Action!!!!!!"
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April 20th, 2018, 3:03 am #34

Bill Lazor is fully on board now as a member of the organization. Here's the proof.

Lazor oversees offense's hybrid evolution
Geoff Hobson - Bengals.com - April 19, 2018

But Lazor’s true definition of the West Coast comes from how Holmgren taught him to handle the quarterbacks.

“From my experience with Coach Holmgren, I’d say what the West Coast is, is the way you build the passing game to coach the quarterback,” Lazor said. “It’s a thought process, a philosophy of how the passing game is going to work. And it really is embedded in how the quarterback is going to play. His decisiveness and the way you build everything so he can play at a certain tempo.”

So it’s different. But the same. Change first, though.

“Over time, they’ll say, here is a list of things that carried over because we’re good at it,” Lazor said of his players. “There will be both (continuity and change). I just haven’t told them all that yet.”

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/L ... 373b46e859
Even when he changes things up he maintains continuity! Pretty neat trick. Hard to suck up to the owner any better than that.
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May 13th, 2018, 11:41 pm #35

I wonder how many of these I've missed. From back in early January.

The promising decisions among the Bengals’ 2018 assistant coach search
Anthony Cosenza - Cincy Jungle - Jan 11, 2018, 1:00pm EST

[ subtitle: ]
Bob Bicknell and Kyle Caskey bring continuity and familiarity to Bill Lazor on offense:

https://www.cincyjungle.com/analysis/20 ... ach-search
Given that they don't have enough continuity internally, it's mandatory that they bring some in from the outside.
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May 14th, 2018, 2:31 am #36

Here's one from a couple of days ago:

Bleacher Report buys in on Bengals
Travis Steffen - Stripe Hype - May 11, 2018

The team decided to stay away from the offensive line until the seventh-round of the draft following the Price selection. Surprising analysts and fans with this move, the Bengals felt that grabbing another lineman would be reaching. Cincinnati was not impressed enough to grab another lineman in this draft, and they are confident in some of the young talent they already have developing under Pollack.

I happen to agree with them. I think that Jake Fisher can still improve into a good starting right tackle with more development and they also brought in former New York Giants right tackle Bobby Hart to compete this year. Guards Christian Westerman and Alex Redmond looked good in the final weeks of the season as well and could be another good battle in training camp. I think it’s good they kept some continuity on the line as bringing in all new players would prove not only difficult and go away from other holes on the team but take more time to develop a bond.


https://stripehype.com/2018/05/11/bleac ... sive-line/

Shall we ever buy-in on continuity?
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May 26th, 2018, 6:37 am #37

Arthur Arkush pops up from time to time. He's got that certain word associated with two teams from the AFC North, it seems.
PFW roundtable: 5 key offseason questions, AFC North edition
Pro Football Weekly — Published: May 25, 2018, 11:41 a.m. Updated: 12:00 p.m.

PFW editors Bob LeGere, Eric Edholm, Greg Gabriel and Arthur Arkush answer five key AFC North questions.

5) Predicted order of finish?

AA: 1. Steelers 2. Bengals 3. Ravens 4. Browns

The two quandaries: which club should immediately follow the Steelers, again a legitimate Super Bowl threat, and did the Browns establish enough credibility and competence to climb out of their familiar cellar? Ultimately, the Bengals continuity — on offense, not in the coaching ranks — gave them the nod over Baltimore, while it was the Browns’ continuity — the coaching staff, not the personnel — resigning them, still, to a familiar fate.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/lists/ ... xml?page=6
Shades of Duke Tobin with his ol' "continuity is a good thing" adage.
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May 28th, 2018, 11:06 pm #38

From way back in early January.

Bengals sign interim OC Bill Lazor to two-year contract
Kevin Patra, Around the NFL Writer - NFL.com -  Published: Jan. 3, 2018 at 11:31 a.m.  Updated: 11:58 a.m.

The Cincinnati Bengals are opting for continuity in 2018.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... r-contract
 

Come on. The Bungs always opt for continuity. When do they not? It's like saying, "The Bengals officially open the offseason."
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June 23rd, 2018, 3:05 am #39

Another insane betting odds piece, this time with a name check to Owczarski. Yep, this one is going to be posted in the Hot Seat Roundup thread, too. That makes it a twofer of a different sort.

NFL Betting Odds: Hue Jackson, Adam Gase Top List of 1st Coach to Be Fired
Scott Polacek - Bleacher Report - June 19, 2018

Las Vegas apparently doesn’t believe in Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson or Miami Dolphins head coach Adam Gase.

As OddsShark shared Tuesday, with the 2018 season approaching, the two coaches topped the opening list of odds for the first NFL head coach to be fired. Not far behind are Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis, who is still looking for his first playoff win in Cincinnati, and Denver Broncos head coach Vance Joseph.


Lewis stands out as one of the veteran names on the list, especially since there was serious discussion this offseason about whether the Bengals would retain him in his current position. The 2018 season will be his 16th at the helm of the team, and while he’s made the playoffs seven times, he has never advanced past the AFC Wild Card Round.

Cincinnati is also a lackluster 13-18-1 the last two seasons, although owner Mike Brown pointed to "continuity" when discussing why he kept Lewis, per Jim Owczarski of the Cincinnati Enquirer.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781 ... o-be-fired
Mike Brown will never part ways with Marvin Lewis, you can bet on it. No, wait... that's for the other thread! For this thread, I say...

Isn't it ironic that Owczarski finally learned his hot seat lesson yet the old continuity takes on a life of its own? Or something.
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June 30th, 2018, 8:26 pm #40

At least Anthony Cosenza has the good grace to avoid "bell-cow", but "workhorse" is not much better.

By the numbers: Bengals’ best franchise records
As we head into the 2018 season, we crack open the franchise record books to look at some of the best records, streaks and numbers by Bengals players in team history.

 Anthony Cosenza - Cincy Jungle -  Jun 26, 2018, 10:31am EDT

Rushing by the numbers:

8,061: Corey Dillon’s tenure with the Bengals was both extremely productive and tumultuous from 1997-2003. Since his departure, the team has found some semblance of continuity with players like Rudi Johnson and Cedric Benson, but they’ve had trouble finding true workhorses since.

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/6/26/1 ... se-records
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