Collecting Valiants

Steve Topper
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12:09 AM - Oct 19, 2007 #1

I've been slowly binding my Valiant collection and currently have 13 books bound with four more at Library.

Here is the current collection




I've been using black buckram with silver lettering -- a fairly basic looking books. Then I've been making dust jackets for the books to spice them up. Right now, my Timewalker volume is without a dust jacket so you can see the basic book.


I've also just recently shifted how I print out my dust jackets. Originally I would compose them in Photoshop and take the resulting TIFF to Kinkos and have them printed using a Polygloss paper. Those cost me $14 a piece. Here are some examples.







But recently, Nock Furious showed his home made dust jackets that he made using Brodart book protectors and 11x17 paper. Those looked very nice in his examples, so I decided to try out his method on a couple of my books. Her is what they look like:





These look almost as nice as the Polygloss dust jackets from Kinmkos but my cost is less than $2. The Brodart sleeves (bought in a pack of 25) came to about $0.37 each and then I printed the images on a color laser. Overall, I like the Nock Furious method and will continue with this for my remaining books.

Currently at the binder: The Complete Second Life of Doctor Mirage, and The VH-1 Bloodshot (brooken into three volumes).

In the planning stages: Rai and Magnus Robot Fighter
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2:22 PM - Oct 20, 2007 #2

Steve, that's a beautiful set of books you have there.

I've been holding off binding my own originals this past year as I was originally planning on a scan/bind project of just my favourite stories (too cost prohibitive, for one.) I've since come to the realisation that I'll probably never part with my collection and any resale value is superficial.

Bagging and boarding will soon be a thing of the past as those images have well and truly given me the bite of the binding bug.

Watch This Space!

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3:31 PM - Oct 21, 2007 #3

Steve those books are awesome. I've personally never been into Valiant comics, but by the looks of some of those dust jackets, I'm intrigued. These seem as important to you as my Spider-Man Clone Saga did to me.

How do you honestly feel about the new way you do the Dust Jackets? I just went round and round with Kinkos again and they won't print anymore for me. So I'm looking for a new route. Do you print on 3 separate sheets then combine them to one?
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Steve Topper
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4:47 PM - Oct 21, 2007 #4

Travazz,

Yeah, the Valiants are pretty important to me. It's probably the only time where I collected every issue of a company's output (minus the multitude of variants!)

For the dust jackets, I've been printing them on two sheets of 11x17 paper. The first sheet contains the front flap, the front cover and the spine. The second sheet contains the back flap, the back cover and some of the spine.

It gives me some overlap to tape them together. Also the spine and back cover generally have a stark enough separation that the seam there isn't noticeable.

If you're around on Wednesday, I'm usually at the Bookery between noon and 1pm. If not, we can meet up at your convenience and you can see how they look in person.
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11:05 PM - Oct 21, 2007 #5

Steve,

I'm drooling. You prompted me to post after lurking for so long. I would love to see how you mapped this. I noticed you have a Unity Volume. Did you include those issues in their respective volumes also? Great work. I'm very jealous.

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Steve Topper
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11:37 PM - Oct 21, 2007 #6

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I noticed you have a Unity Volume. Did you include those issues in their respective volumes also? Great work. I'm very jealous.
Yes I did. Same with the Chaos Effect book. I wanted to put together the two biggest "events" in Valiant in hardcovers. And I wanted to have each book or set of books be stand-alone. So the Eternal Warrior books have the Archer & Armstrong crossovers and vice versa.

The Unity books is mapped:
Unity 0
Eternal Warrior 1
Archer and Armstrong 1
Magnus Robot Fighter 15
X-O Manowar 7
Shadowman 4
Rai 6
Harbinger 8
Solar, Man of the Atom 12
Eternal Warrior 2
Archer and Armstrong 2
Magnus Robot Fighter 16
X-O Manowar 8
Shadowman 5
Rai 7
Harbinger 9
Solar, Man of the Atom 13
Unity 1

for a total of 616 pages.

I didn't include the Unity Lost Chapter book because it was published two years after Unity and really reads more like a X-O Manowar book, not a Unity book. So it will be going in the X-O books when I get them bound.

Chaos Effect was mapped:
Chaos Effect A
Shadowman 29
Second Life of Dr Mirage 11
Turok Dinosaur Hunter 16
Secrets of the Valiant Universe 2
Bloodshot 20
Secret Weapons 13
Ninjak 8
Archer & Armstrong/Eternal Warrior 26
Harbinger&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 34
Armorines 5
X-O Manowar 33
H.A.R.D. Corps 23
Solar Man of the Atom 38
Psi-Lords 3
Rai 26
Magnus Robot Fighter 41
Chaos Effect
Chaos Effect Epilogue 1
Chaos Effect Epilogue 2

for a total of 712 pages
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11:43 PM - Oct 21, 2007 #7

Eternal Warrior was three books

Book 1 is mapped (800 pages)
Valiant Era Companion 1
Eternal Warrior 1
Eternal Warrior 2
Eternal Warrior 3
Eternal Warrior 4
Eternal Warrior 5
Eternal Warrior 6
Eternal Warrior 7
Eternal Warrior 8
Eternal Warrior 9
Eternal Warrior 10
Eternal Warrior 11
Eternal Warrior 12
Eternal Warrior 13
Eternal Warrior 14
Eternal Warrior 15
Eternal Warrior 16
Eternal Warrior 17
Eternal Warrior Yearbook 1
Eternal Warrior 18
Eternal Warrior 19
Eternal Warrior 20

Book 2 is 812 pages
Eternal Warrior 21
Eternal Warrior 22
Eternal Warrior 23
Eternal Warrior 24
Archer & Armstrong 25
Eternal Warrior 25
Eternal Warrior 26
Eternal Warrior 27
Eternal Warrior Yearbook 2
Eternal Warrior 28
Eternal Warrior 29
Eternal Warrior 30
Eternal Warrior 31
Eternal Warrior 32
Eternal Warrior 33
Eternal Warrior 34
Eternal Warrior 35
Eternal Warrior 36
Eternal Warrior 37
Eternal Warrior 38
Eternal Warrior 39
Eternal Warrior 40

Book 3 is 780 pages
Eternal Warrior 41
Eternal Warrior 42
Eternal Warrior 43
Eternal Warrior 44
Eternal Warrior 45
Eternal Warrior 46
Eternal Warrior 47
Eternal Warrior 48
Eternal Warrior 49
Eternal Warrior 50
Eternal Warrior Special 1
Fist and Steel 1
Fist and Steel 2
Eternal Warriors 1
Eternal Warriors 2
Eternal Warriors 3
Eternal Warriors 4
Eternal Warriors 5
Eternal Warriors 6

Archer & Armstrong is probably my largest book at 1032 pages

Archer & Armstrong 0
Archer & Armstrong 1
Archer & Armstrong 2
Archer & Armstrong 3
Archer & Armstrong 4
Archer & Armstrong 5
Archer & Armstrong 6
Archer & Armstrong 7
Archer & Armstrong 8
Archer & Armstrong 9
Archer & Armstrong 10
Archer & Armstrong 11
Archer & Armstrong 12
Archer & Armstrong 13
Archer & Armstrong 14
Archer & Armstrong 15
Archer & Armstrong 16
Archer & Armstrong 17
Archer & Armstrong 18
Archer & Armstrong 19
Archer & Armstrong 20
Archer & Armstrong 21
Archer & Armstrong 22
Archer & Armstrong 23
Archer & Armstrong 24
Archer & Armstrong 25
Eternal Warrior 25
Archer & Armstrong 26
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1:01 PM - Oct 22, 2007 #8

Steve, on your larger volumes, have you suffered much gutter loss and do the pages more or less lay flat when opened?

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Steve Topper
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1:07 PM - Oct 22, 2007 #9

Blastaar,

The worst gutter loss is on the Archer & Armstrong book - being that it was over 1000 pages. But even so, it was never bad enough to make the book unreadable. All of the books do lay flat.

But I am trying to keep my books under 1000 pages from now on - with 800 pages being my optimum. That's more because it keeps the book thickness around 1.5" to 1.75".

I'll try to take some pictures of the gutters and open books this evening and post them.
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8:08 PM - Oct 22, 2007 #10

steve,

once again, you come through with some great books. as valiant is on my 'to do' list (albeit a bit further down), did you get those bound at library? did they have any issues with the 1000 pages A&A book? "There are just some things you can't compromise on. Some things you can. A new suit...yeah. Dream house...maybe. But the girl...you can't compromise on the girl."
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10:10 PM - Oct 22, 2007 #11

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did you get those bound at library?
Kevin,
Yes. I've been really, really cheap in my bindings to date, so everything has gone through Library so far. My only concession to niceties is the head and tail bands.
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did they have any issues with the 1000 pages A&A book?
None what so ever. Here are some pictures of the A&A book

Below you can see the thickness of the A&A book -- in all of its 1032 page glory. It's just slightly over 2" thick.

Here is the book laying flat so you can see the entire dust jacket and see how flat it can open.

This showsa the book laying open and gives an example of the possible gutter loss

And finally a close up of two random pages to show the extent of any gutter loss. As I noted earlier, this is completely acceptable to me because of how thick I made the book.
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11:55 AM - Oct 23, 2007 #12

Steve, thanks for taking the effort to show off the books. As usual, they look great and I'm impressed by how easily the book lies open (you see, Marvel, it is possible to create perfection ) Makes me eager to re-read those early Valiants...

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Steve Topper
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7:09 PM - Oct 27, 2007 #13

I received my latest batch of books back from Library Binding yesterday. Included in the pacakge were four more bound Valiant volumes:



The Complete VH-1 Bloodshot in three volumes

Book 1 at 684 pages
Bloodshot 0
Bloodshot 1
Bloodshot 2
Bloodshot 3
Bloodshot 4
Bloodshot 5
Bloodshot 6
Bloodshot 7
Bloodshot 8
Bloodshot 9
Bloodshot 10
Bloodshot 11
Bloodshot 12
Bloodshot 13
Bloodshot 14
Bloodshot 15
Bloodshot 16
Bloodshot 17
Bloodshot 18

Book 2 at 684 pages
Bloodshot 19
Bloodshot 20
Bloodshot 21
Bloodshot 22
Bloodshot 23
Bloodshot 24
Bloodshot 25
Bloodshot 26
Bloodshot 27
Secret Weapons 20
Bloodshot 28
Secret Weapons 21
Bloodshot 29
Bloodshot 30
Bloodshot 31
Bloodshot 32
Bloodshot 33
Bloodshot 34
Bloodshot 35

and Book 3 at 680 pages
Bloodshot 36
Bloodshot 37
Bloodshot 38
Bloodshot 39
Bloodshot 40
Bloodshot 41
Bloodshot 42
Bloodshot 43
Bloodshot 44
Bloodshot 45
Bloodshot 46
Bloodshot 47
Bloodshot 48
Bloodshot 49
Bloodshot 50
Bloodshot 51
Bloodshot Yearbook 1
Bloodshot Last Stand 1

and then The Second Lilfe of Doctor Mirage coming in at 684 pages

Second Life of Doctor Mirage 1
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 2
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 3
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 4
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 5
Shadowman 23
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 6
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 7
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 8
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 9
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 10
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 11
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 12
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 13
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 14
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 15
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 16
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 17
Second Life of Doctor Mirage 18
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Steve Topper
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11:41 PM - Nov 26, 2007 #14



Updated Valiant collection -- received three Shadowman books and the Visitor

Shadowman Book 1: Shadowman 1-22, Doctor Mirage 5, and Shadowman 23
Shadowman Book 2: Shadowman 24-43, Shadowman 0, and Shadowman Yearbook 1
Shadowman Book 3: Shadowman vol 2 1-20 and Shadowman vol 3 1-6
The Visitor: The Visitor vs the Valiant Universe 1-2 and The Visitor 1-13
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Steve Topper
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10:13 PM - May 02, 2008 #15

It's been a while since I updated this thread.

I'm currently at 33 volumes of Valiant Comics collected with six more volumes shipped out



The six books currently on their way to the binder are:

-- four volumes of Magnus Robot Fighter

Book 1 - Magnus Robot Fighter 0-20 (748 pages)

Book 2 - The Malev War (This is a BIG ONE! -- 1080 pages)
Magnus Robot Fighter 21 - 24, Rai and the Future Force(RFF) 9, 25, RFF 10 - 11, 26 - 29, RFF15, 30, RFF 16, 31, RFF 17, 32 - 33, RFF 18, 34, RFF19, 35, RFF 20, 36, RFF 21, 37, RFF 22 - 23, 38

Book 3 - The Rest of VH-1 Magnus (1060 pages)
Magnus Robot Fighter 39 - 40
Magnus Yearbook 1
Magnus Robot Fighter 41 - 42
Chaos Effect Epilogue 1 - 2
Magnus Robot Fighter 43 - 64

Book 4 - Crossovers and VH-2 (792 pages)
Magnus/Nexus 1 - 2
Predator vs Magnus 1 - 2
Magnus Robot Fighter v2 1 - 18

-- one volume of Doctor Tomorrow
Doctor Tomorrow 1-12 (432 pages)

-- and a combined Geomancer/Psi-Lords books (because each title individually seemed to be a waste to bind separately) (684 pages)
Geomancer 1-8; Psi-Lords 1-7, Destroyer 0, Psi-Lords 8-10


I also had Bernard Change sign my Visitor book at NYCC and he surprised me with this instead:

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11:17 PM - May 02, 2008 #16

Steve, that's really awesome that Bernard Change did that for you. I'm hoping that Ethan Van Sciver will do the same for my Sinestro Corps War book this June in Chicago.

I'm getting more and more intrigued by Valiant, and am possibly thinking about copying your Unity book. I found an old Comic Geek Speak episode about the early days of Valiant and the whole concept of Unity has intrigued me.
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Steve Topper
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12:03 AM - May 03, 2008 #17

travazz,

If Unity intrigues you, a good and possibly cheap way to experiment is the four Unity TPBs. Valiant published them around 1994 (I think) and you can probably pick them up for around $5 each. I think the Bookery has "used" copies on their shelves. I'll check tomorrow during FCBD and point them out to you.
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12:30 AM - May 03, 2008 #18

I am envious, Mr. Topper. I really am.

Can I have them in your will?
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Steve Topper
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8:05 AM - May 03, 2008 #19

DavidTai wrote:
I am envious, Mr. Topper. I really am.




Can I have them in your will?




I don't know whether to say "Yes" or not. If I agree, does that mean you put out a Soprano-style hit on me? Or if I say "No" you do it anyway? Let me think about it!
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10:05 AM - May 03, 2008 #20

Beautiful books Steve, very professional looking work there.

Do you have the link to Nock's feature on how he made his own covers..?
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