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Wong Chu
Bronze Age
Wong Chu
Bronze Age
Joined: March 16th, 2009, 8:28 pm

November 10th, 2011, 9:20 am #61

We could excuse Iron Man and Hulk's low scores due to the fact that their latest volumes had just been solicited shortly before the survey took place. By the same token, the Fantastic Four's high score looks very impressive! 
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hixon23
Silver Age
hixon23
Silver Age
Joined: September 14th, 2005, 4:09 am

November 10th, 2011, 9:54 am #62

I think a part of why UXM ranked so high is the desire for the second half of the Brood Saga.
I actually sacraficed my vote for the Avengers and gave it to Ant-Man. On next year's survey, unless Cory surprises us in 2012, I may even rank him higher.
Depending on how 2012 plays out determines my selecting Rawhide Kid next year.

Some of the Masterwork titles have stopping points, in terms of voting not purchasing, for me.
Avengers I've stopped voting for because I'm not as concerned about this title because I have every issue in some form or another. I continue to sell off floppies as Masterworks become available.
My Captain America vote is good forever.
My Spider-Man vote is good forever.
My FF vote is solid until the Byrne Omni.
My Thor vote is good until the two MPCs and then I will pick up voting again until the Simonson run.
My vote for An-Man will last until it happens.
My sixth vote will revolve around either Iron Man, DD, MTU or Captain Marvel- depending on what issues are most desirable to me.
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GHastly55
Bronze Age
GHastly55
Bronze Age
Joined: June 9th, 2006, 5:35 pm

November 10th, 2011, 10:50 am #63

Five Years Later wrote:I'm surprised that Avengers stays so popular with Bob Hall(?)
5YL, it's not the art in that period of AVENGERS that folks are interested in, it's the storylines by Englehart. This is one of the classic periods in the run.
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hixon23
Silver Age
hixon23
Silver Age
Joined: September 14th, 2005, 4:09 am

November 10th, 2011, 10:56 am #64

GHastly55 wrote:
Five Years Later wrote: I'm surprised that Avengers stays so popular with Bob Hall(?)
5YL, it's not the art in that period of AVENGERS that folks are interested in, it's the storylines by Englehart. This is one of the classic periods in the run.
As usual, I agree.
The Avengers rock!
I keep hearing a lot people bad mouth this era of the Avengers- and yet somehow it continues to be  one of the better sellers. I guess it comes down to the naysayers being more vocal.
Anxious for my over-sized Avengers Masterworks V. 13 announcement today.
  
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Silveragemarvelman
Golden Age
Joined: August 30th, 2003, 8:49 pm

November 10th, 2011, 11:45 am #65

Wow, I hope this keeps the Ant Man v3 hopes alive.
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Donovan
Silver Age
Donovan
Silver Age
Joined: October 9th, 2008, 3:40 pm

November 10th, 2011, 11:51 am #66

Nice to see Defenders in the top 10, and surprising to see some of the volumes that finished below it!
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Matthew McCallum
Silver Age
Joined: June 13th, 2010, 4:18 pm

November 10th, 2011, 11:58 am #67

andrewc wrote:
Matthew McCallum wrote:
Bilbo wrote:
I collect the regular editions. Missing a volume is nothing to me, although I have every M.A. volume. Cranking up the frequency of releases means I might live long enough ( I'm 44) to get a lot of the runs I'm interested in in my preferred format.
I'm in a similar boat as Bilbo, but I would not want any increase in the Marvel Age to come at the expense of either the Golden Age and the Atlas Era.

I'm also in my mid-40s (45) and I look forward to the Golden Age being completed at some point between 2021 (at 5 volumes per year) or 2024 (at 4 volumes per year). That is a realistic and realizable goal. Conversely, there is such a wealth of Atlas Era material that 5 volumes per year is only going to make a dent in that inventory over the next couple of decades, so I have little hope of it even being significantly Masterworked in my lifetime.

Concerning the Marvel Age, to complete the open lines (excluding Rawhide Kid) through 1980 and to finish off the 1960s with the exception of Western and Horror (and Romance and Comedy, of course) is between 100 to 105 volumes. At 12 volumes of Marvel Age Masterworks per year, that's a reachable goal in 10 to 15 years (assuming other lines are opened in the interim).

I think my preferred paradigm for annual releases of Marvel Age-Golden Age-Atlas Era Masterworks would be 12-6-6, but I could live with 14-5-5.
Do you count Sgt Fury as part of the Marvel Age?  I think of that line as an exception like Rawhide Kid.  My preference would be something along the line of 12-6-3-3 with the additional slot consisting of Marvel Age Western/War lines, including Rawhide Kid, Sgt. Fury and future volumes of Kid Colt, Two Gun Kid, misc westerns and Captain Savage.  The former are dragging far behind other Marvel Age lines and make up almost all of the 60s titles remaining to be covered.  Another option would be to cover the Westerns as Omniboo, which would require fewer volumes to complete and not take up any Masterworks slots.  I also suggested this for the 70s Horror titles.  Of course, my numbers are based on my not being interested in too many more of the Atlas lines. Since the superhero material has been covered already, I'm really only looking for the remaining Jungle Adventures volumes.

Since potential sales factor into Marvel's publishing decisions, does anyone know how Masterworks compare vs. Omnibus as far as one format is more viable with fewer sales than the others?  Since the Westerns would sell less than the typical Masterworks, I'm wondering if the Omnibus format is more doable?
Personally, I think of Sgt. Fury and Rawhide Kid as part of the Marvel Age. (I also think Not Brand Echh is as well.) But for the purposes of that quick calculation I excluded Rawhide Kid as a number of people view Fury in and Rawhide out.

  
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Matthew McCallum
Silver Age
Joined: June 13th, 2010, 4:18 pm

November 10th, 2011, 3:35 pm #68

After having a chance to digest the Page 3 data, I thought it might be revealing to compare the ranking of selections versus their most recent release (or solicitation of release) as of the time of the survey. The survey was launched June 16, 2011, and as a rule of thumb we know releases approximately six months in advance (i.e. December 2011), so my assumption is that as of that time we knew Nick Fury was going to be a Christmas present and all the other volumes solicited before that.

Rank Series Previous Schedule Due
Avengers Jul-11   Annual 2012
Amazing Spider-Man Mar-11   Annual 2012
Fantastic Four Nov-11   Annual 2012
Uncanny X-Men May-11   Annual 2012
Mighty Thor Jan-11   Annual 2012
Iron Fist Jun-11   TBD TBD
Dr. Strange Apr-11   Biannual 2013
Defenders Dec-10   Biannual 2012
Captain America Jun-10   Biannual 2012
10  Daredevil Aug-11   Biannual 2013
11  Sgt. Fury Aug-10   Biannual 2012
12  Ant-Man Feb-08   TBD TBD
13  Marvel Team-Up Dec-10   TBD TBD
14  Sub-Mariner Feb-11   Biannual 2013
15  Captain Marvel Apr-08   TBD TBD
16  Incredible Hulk Oct-11   Biannual 2013
17  Black Panther Jun-10   TBD TBD
18  Rawhide Kid Dec-07   TBD TBD
19  Silver Surfer N/A   TBD TBD
20  Iron Man Sep-11   Biannual 2013
A few of interesting items emerge:

*  First, note how all the annual release titles score at the top of the list, regardless of how recently the last volume may have been released/solicited. Obviously, these titles are annuals for a reason.

*  That Iron Fist scored as high as it did having just been released shows the popularity the material, and the expectation among readers that this line will be wrapped up quickly.

*  As we start into the bi-annual releases the next volume is a bit of a surprise for me. At the time of the survey the last volume of Doctor Strange had come out only two months before (April 2011) and as a bi-annual release isn't "due" until 2013. Yet it outpaces everything else on the list.

*  To a lessor extent, Daredevil mimics Doctor Strange: A very recent soliciatation in relation to the survey (August 2011) which is not "due" again until 2013.

* The strength of Ant-Man is a bit surprising and is perhaps a case of a lengthy delay since the last release slowly building anticipation for the next volume (unlike, sorry, Rawhide Kid). Like Iron Fist, it may be the anticipation of the Byrne material in the volume, but it also may be a case that readers just want to get this line completed.

* Sub-Mariner, Incredible Hulk and Iron Man sit on the list where I had expected Doctor Strange and Daredevil to be: resently released bi-annual titles that aren't "due" again until 2013. (It should be noted that Iron Man had been an annual release until 2009 until skipping a year. This doesn't suggest there is much desire for that title to return to an annual release.)
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mr Articulate
Modern Age
Joined: July 30th, 2007, 8:19 am

November 10th, 2011, 4:52 pm #69

I read this forum pretty regularly, but I think I missed the survey.  When was the voting open?  And anyway to send us an email reminder to vote?
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Golden Age
Joined: March 7th, 2004, 12:26 am

November 10th, 2011, 5:38 pm #70

Matthew J. McCallum: "As we start into the bi-annual releases, the next volume is a bit of a surprise for me. At the time of the survey the last volume of Doctor Strange had come out only two months before (April 2011) and as a bi-annual release isn't 'due' until 2013. Yet it outpaces everything else on the list." 

That's because, since he is Marvel's greatest creation ever, we are demanding that DOCTOR STRANGE MASTERWORKS be published bi-monthly!! 

TODD TAMANEND CLARK

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Matthew McCallum
Silver Age
Joined: June 13th, 2010, 4:18 pm

November 10th, 2011, 5:41 pm #71

TODD TAMANEND CLARK wrote:
Matthew J. McCallum: "As we start into the bi-annual releases, the next volume is a bit of a surprise for me. At the time of the survey the last volume of Doctor Strange had come out only two months before (April 2011) and as a bi-annual release isn't 'due' until 2013. Yet it outpaces everything else on the list." 

That's because, since he is Marvel's greatest creation ever, we are demanding that DOCTOR STRANGE MASTERWORKS be published bi-monthly!!
I've been waiting for this posting as you just knew -- you JUST KNEW -- it was coming!

(By the way, it's Matthew S. McCallum if we seek to be formal. But I'll happily answer to "Matt".)
  
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Golden Age
Joined: March 7th, 2004, 12:26 am

November 10th, 2011, 5:54 pm #72

Matt: "By the way, it's Matthew S. McCallum..."

I give most everyone the middle initial J just for whimsical fun.

It's a long tradition, as in BULLWINKLE J. MOOSE, ROCKET J. SQUIRREL, BENJAMIN J. GRIMM, HOMER J. SIMPSON, et cetera... 

TODD TAMANEND CLARK

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The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

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gormuu
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Joined: January 31st, 2003, 11:20 pm

November 10th, 2011, 7:32 pm #73

Okay, folks. I've got the Future Golden Age and Future Atlas Era results posted at the Survey. Go have a look!
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Click this link for the MASTERWORKS HOME PAGE, and don't miss out on the latest news and
release information on the whole scene of collected editions at the CURRENT NEWS page!
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SamyMerchi
Golden Age
Joined: August 5th, 2005, 8:20 pm

November 10th, 2011, 7:46 pm #74

This is awesome. I love reading these results. Thanks for the work, Gormuu!

My biggest hope is that these results make sure X-Men remains annual + we get a speedy Iron Fist 2.
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Marshall Crist
Silver Age
Joined: November 29th, 2005, 10:30 am

November 10th, 2011, 9:10 pm #75

Gosh, I guess I am not alone in my desire for Timely Rarities.
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Marshall Crist
Silver Age
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November 10th, 2011, 9:15 pm #76

The write-up on the #1 most-wanted Atlas book, TALES OF SUSPENSE Vol. 4, says something about that book resulting in every page of TOS being reprinted in Masterworks, but I think "Tales of the Watcher" would still be in limbo.

Also the write-up for MARVEL MYSTERY Vol. 7 mentions the "only" appearance of Jimmy Jupiter, but I'm pretty sure he was an ongoing series.

So awesome to finally be able to see all these results!
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gaelyann
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Joined: April 4th, 2006, 11:55 pm

November 10th, 2011, 9:51 pm #77

no info about new marvel age lines, or are we getting it later ?
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gormuu
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November 10th, 2011, 10:13 pm #78

Marshall Crist wrote:The write-up on the #1 most-wanted Atlas book, TALES OF SUSPENSE Vol. 4, says something about that book resulting in every page of TOS being reprinted in Masterworks, but I think "Tales of the Watcher" would still be in limbo.

Also the write-up for MARVEL MYSTERY Vol. 7 mentions the "only" appearance of Jimmy Jupiter, but I'm pretty sure he was an ongoing series.

So awesome to finally be able to see all these results!

You're right, I need to edit both those. The Watcher is still extant, and I meant to write "first" instead of "only" in regards to Jimmy Jupiter. I'll be polishing my copy tomorrow, too. Just wanted to get this up ASAP for you guys. Thanks for pointing out any errors!
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November 10th, 2011, 10:13 pm #79

gaelyann wrote:no info about new marvel age lines, or are we getting it later ?


That'll come tomorrow! I hope to have the survey finished up by the end of the weekend, though if I can it'll be a lot sooner. But at the very least, I'll have the new Marvel Age lines up sometime tomorrow.
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Marshall Crist
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Joined: November 29th, 2005, 10:30 am

November 10th, 2011, 10:22 pm #80

Gormuu wrote:
Marshall Crist wrote:The write-up on the #1 most-wanted Atlas book, TALES OF SUSPENSE Vol. 4, says something about that book resulting in every page of TOS being reprinted in Masterworks, but I think "Tales of the Watcher" would still be in limbo.

Also the write-up for MARVEL MYSTERY Vol. 7 mentions the "only" appearance of Jimmy Jupiter, but I'm pretty sure he was an ongoing series.

So awesome to finally be able to see all these results!

You're right, I need to edit both those. The Watcher is still extant, and I meant to write "first" instead of "only" in regards to Jimmy Jupiter. I'll be polishing my copy tomorrow, too. Just wanted to get this up ASAP for you guys. Thanks for pointing out any errors!
Thanks for being so gracious about my anality.
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