2011 Masterworks Survey COMPLETE!

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orangecrux
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09 Nov 2011, 02:50 #41

Thanks for all the work put in on this. Its very interesting information to peruse. For example, the "least owned" Omni by survey-takers was the New X-Men omni, which has been unavailable for some time. It makes those of us clamoring for a reprint over in this thread feel a little vindicated in those requests, I think.
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Marshall Crist
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09 Nov 2011, 16:36 #42

I took another look at the Timely and Atlas "frequency" questions, and now have a revised perspective. Initially I ignored the respondents who said they were not interested in those era, but I think it is also relevant to set aside those who are happy with the "status quo." Looking solely at those who wanted either an increase or a decrease, more people wanted more Timely Masterworks than wanted less. The Atlas figures, on the other hand, were dead even.

What struck me as REALLY surprising was the number of people who wanted to see the Marvel Age frequency increased dramatically. REALLY? (I guess so!) The only reason I would be down for this would be if it meant we got Two-Gun Kid, Chili, Pussycat, etc. sooner (or at all.) Although Pussycat should be an Omnibus, AMIRITE? Personally wouldn't want to see 16+ Marvel Age Masterworks per year IF it cut into the Timely and Atlas books though, because for me the ratio of books I want to buy to books I don't want to buy is MUCH higher with Timely and Atlas.
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09 Nov 2011, 17:51 #43

I collect the regular editions. Missing a volume is nothing to me, although I have every M.A. volume. Cranking up the frequency of releases means I might live long enough ( I'm 44) to get a lot of the runs I'm interested in in my preferred format.
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Matthew McCallum
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09 Nov 2011, 18:37 #44

Bilbo wrote:
I collect the regular editions. Missing a volume is nothing to me, although I have every M.A. volume. Cranking up the frequency of releases means I might live long enough ( I'm 44) to get a lot of the runs I'm interested in in my preferred format.
I'm in a similar boat as Bilbo, but I would not want any increase in the Marvel Age to come at the expense of either the Golden Age and the Atlas Era.

I'm also in my mid-40s (45) and I look forward to the Golden Age being completed at some point between 2021 (at 5 volumes per year) or 2024 (at 4 volumes per year). That is a realistic and realizable goal. Conversely, there is such a wealth of Atlas Era material that 5 volumes per year is only going to make a dent in that inventory over the next couple of decades, so I have little hope of it even being significantly Masterworked in my lifetime.

Concerning the Marvel Age, to complete the open lines (excluding Rawhide Kid) through 1980 and to finish off the 1960s with the exception of Western and Horror (and Romance and Comedy, of course) is between 100 to 105 volumes. At 12 volumes of Marvel Age Masterworks per year, that's a reachable goal in 10 to 15 years (assuming other lines are opened in the interim).

I think my preferred paradigm for annual releases of Marvel Age-Golden Age-Atlas Era Masterworks would be 12-6-6, but I could live with 14-5-5.
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09 Nov 2011, 22:51 #45

FYI: I posted section V of the survey, Masterworks Quality Concerns, just now, as well as cleaned up some typos forwarded to me by friendly folks who spotted them upon first reading the results. (Thanks!) It's at the bottom of Page 2 of the survey.

Check 'em out, see how Cory et. al. did on their report card for Masterworks quality.

I'll be continuing work on the survey tonight. I want to get it all together and published before the next MM announcement which is scheduled for tomorrow.
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09 Nov 2011, 22:57 #46

Gormuu wrote: Check 'em out, see how Cory et. al. did on their report card for Masterworks quality.
Congratulations to Cory and crew on some great grades!

  
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09 Nov 2011, 23:37 #47

Matthew McCallum wrote:
Bilbo wrote:
I collect the regular editions. Missing a volume is nothing to me, although I have every M.A. volume. Cranking up the frequency of releases means I might live long enough ( I'm 44) to get a lot of the runs I'm interested in in my preferred format.
I'm in a similar boat as Bilbo, but I would not want any increase in the Marvel Age to come at the expense of either the Golden Age and the Atlas Era.

I'm also in my mid-40s (45) and I look forward to the Golden Age being completed at some point between 2021 (at 5 volumes per year) or 2024 (at 4 volumes per year). That is a realistic and realizable goal. Conversely, there is such a wealth of Atlas Era material that 5 volumes per year is only going to make a dent in that inventory over the next couple of decades, so I have little hope of it even being significantly Masterworked in my lifetime.

Concerning the Marvel Age, to complete the open lines (excluding Rawhide Kid) through 1980 and to finish off the 1960s with the exception of Western and Horror (and Romance and Comedy, of course) is between 100 to 105 volumes. At 12 volumes of Marvel Age Masterworks per year, that's a reachable goal in 10 to 15 years (assuming other lines are opened in the interim).

I think my preferred paradigm for annual releases of Marvel Age-Golden Age-Atlas Era Masterworks would be 12-6-6, but I could live with 14-5-5.
Do you count Sgt Fury as part of the Marvel Age?  I think of that line as an exception like Rawhide Kid.  My preference would be something along the line of 12-6-3-3 with the additional slot consisting of Marvel Age Western/War lines, including Rawhide Kid, Sgt. Fury and future volumes of Kid Colt, Two Gun Kid, misc westerns and Captain Savage.  The former are dragging far behind other Marvel Age lines and make up almost all of the 60s titles remaining to be covered.  Another option would be to cover the Westerns as Omniboo, which would require fewer volumes to complete and not take up any Masterworks slots.  I also suggested this for the 70s Horror titles.  Of course, my numbers are based on my not being interested in too many more of the Atlas lines. Since the superhero material has been covered already, I'm really only looking for the remaining Jungle Adventures volumes.

Since potential sales factor into Marvel's publishing decisions, does anyone know how Masterworks compare vs. Omnibus as far as one format is more viable with fewer sales than the others?  Since the Westerns would sell less than the typical Masterworks, I'm wondering if the Omnibus format is more doable?
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Wong Chu
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10 Nov 2011, 00:34 #48

Matthew McCallum wrote:
Gormuu wrote: Check 'em out, see how Cory et. al. did on their report card for Masterworks quality.
Congratulations to Cory and crew on some great grades!

  
Those high marks are well deserved! The only quality issue from the recent past that I can recall was those pages with faded colors in Cap Vol. 5 and Avengers Vol. 11 (some copies). Since that problem probably occurred during the printing process, I would say that Cory and his all-stars are batting a thousand this season!
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10 Nov 2011, 02:23 #49

I am loving this survey data, along with the interpretations!

At the end will you offer some fun correlations, like "The people who care the most about dust jacket quality wanted a New Mutants Omnibus"?
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OwlzinDaBarn
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10 Nov 2011, 03:04 #50

I do like the comments about people wanting an ongoing Horror Omnibus or Masterworks series! I'll take the characters as stand-alone books, but I hope they do whatever it takes to get stuff like ManWolf, Tigra, Man-Thing and Werewolf into hardcover.
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10 Nov 2011, 03:13 #51

Okay, folks! I've got the first page of Future Masterworks survey results up: Existing Line Continuations. Check 'em out on Page 3.

Still have yet to format Future Golden Age, Future Atlas Era, Future Marvel Age, and Related Masterworks Questions, so I have a feeling I'll be busy all through the rest of the week. I'll have at least one new page of complete results up a day, but I'm hoping to get it all done even sooner than that.

I'll also have the May 2012 Masterworks solicit info going up sometime tomorrow, probably after I polish off the Future Golden Age Masterworks page of the survey.
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10 Nov 2011, 03:14 #52

At the end will you offer some fun correlations, like "The people who care the most about dust jacket quality wanted a New Mutants Omnibus"?

You know, I might just dive in and dig up that info for you! Now you've got me curious!
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krisis
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10 Nov 2011, 03:22 #53

Gormuu wrote:
At the end will you offer some fun correlations, like "The people who care the most about dust jacket quality wanted a New Mutants Omnibus"?

You know, I might just dive in and dig up that info for you! Now you've got me curious!
Well, that was a sort of silly example, but I think it would be both fun and useful to know some correlations between specific outlying user segments and their opinions on other parts of the survey. 

I say this as someone who is NOT GOOD at pivot tables
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10 Nov 2011, 04:27 #54

Noticed a couple of typos... When you commented on Uncanny X-Men and Thor volumes being solicited, you stated they'd be appearing in 2011 when you meant 2012.
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Marshall Crist
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10 Nov 2011, 07:26 #55

Thanks, Gormuu!
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10 Nov 2011, 08:59 #56

34%: Doctor Strange by Stern, Rogers & Golden (#48-55)
32%: Avengers: The Bride of Ultron (#160-162, 164-166)
32%: Machine Man by Barry Windsor-Smith
30%: X-Men: Classic X-Men (backup stories from '80s reprint series)
29%: Avengers: The Fall of Yellowjacket (#212-214, 217 and more)
27%: Starlord Complete
27%: Marvel Super-Heroes 1960s anthology (#12-20)
26%: Doctor Strange/Doctor Doom: Triumph and Torment
22%: X-Men: Marvel Fanfare (all X-Men appearances from anthology)
19%: Skull the Slayer (#1-8, MTIO #35-36)
18%: X-Men: Nightcrawler (80s limited series)
18%: Daredevil: Hunt For the Purple Man (#146-154)
18%: Jack of Hearts (80s limited series)
18%: Hulk vs. Thing (greatest battles collection)
17%: Daredevil: Fall From Grace
17%: Silver Surfer: Parable
17%: Shanna the She-Devil (MF #56-59, MCP #13, 68-77)
17%: Infinity War
17%: Bloodstone (Marvel Presents #1-2, Rampaging Hulk #1-6, 8)
17%: Infinity Crusade
17%: Iron Man: Armor Wars (#225-232)
15%: Wolverine/Havok: Meltdown
15%: Iron Man: Falling Down (#162-170)
15%: Dracula: Tomb of Dracula (1991 limited series)
14%: Defenders: The Six-Fingered Hand
14%: X-Men vs. Spider-Man Vol. 1 (X-Men in Marvel Team-Up)
13%: Daredevil: Love's Labor Lost
13%: Black Knight (1990s limited series)
13%: Apache Skies/Blaze of Glory (Ostrander Westerns)
12%: The Falcon (1980s limited series)
11%: Hulk: Home the Hard Way (#269-278)
11%: Damage Control Complete
10%: Fantastic Four/Avengers: Domination Factor
10%: Doctor Strange (1999 limited series)
9%: Hulk vs. Wolverine (greatest battles)
9%: Dracula vs. the Marvel Universe
9%: Thor #496-502 (post World Engine run)
9%: Punisher: War Zone (#1-6)
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10 Nov 2011, 10:42 #57

Must agree with the majority that quality of MMWs has really gone up. (I mean the physical quality of books.) Regarding the next volumes requested, I am disappointed to note that Rawhide Kid gets so little love (I did vote for him!), but happy to see that so many want more Sgt. Fury volumes. Otherwise the top volumes are not that surprising IMO.
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10 Nov 2011, 13:18 #58

I'm surprised that Avengers stays so popular with Bob Hall(?)
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10 Nov 2011, 13:23 #59

I would love to see more Western Masterworks and indicated so in my survey (though I was saddened I couldn't really vote for Doug Wildey's Outlaw Kid anywhere).  But right now I think I would rather see the Western Ghost Rider than more Rawhide Kid (though I certainly want more of the kid).  
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fubarthepanda
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10 Nov 2011, 13:36 #60

Gormuu wrote:Okay, folks! I've got the first page of Future Masterworks survey results up: Existing Line Continuations. Check 'em out on Page 3.
Cool! Not surprised to see the top five MMW extensions to be Avengers, Spidey, FF, X-Men and Thor, as those are pretty much locked into annual slots at this point.  But it's good to see continued strength for Doctor Strange (#7), and some renewed strength for Sgt Fury (#11) and Ant-Man (#12).  Not a lot of love for poor Iron Man (#20), though, as he enters his "dark age".
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