2011 Masterworks Survey COMPLETE!

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hixon23
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Silver Age
Joined: September 14th, 2005, 4:09 am

November 17th, 2011, 9:40 am #161

) FUTURE OMNIBUS VOLUMES 1) Master of Kung Fu Vol. 1
53%, 948 power points, 77 first place votes

Unfortunately, not any time soon. Thank you to Cory for not dangling this carrot before us.


2) Marvel Monsters of the '70s Vol. 1
42%, 680 power points, 38 first place votes

High probability that an omibus is the preferred format for these creatures of the night. With all chatter over the past few years I thought it was a logical Halloween Omni to follow TOD. 


3) Doctor Strange by Steve Ditko
33%, 554 power points, 36 first place votes

Are you guys really going to have to wait for a movie?


4) Not Brand Ecch
30%, 498 power points, 46 first place votes

I predicted this last year for this year. I'm certain this is the format we will see.


5) Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 2
29%, 494 power points, 34 first place votes

Congrats to you rabid fans!!!

6) Infinity Saga by Jim Starlin
31%, 461 power points, 23 first place votes

How BIG would this be? I remember talk about it being a problem. Could be wrong.


7) Alpha Flight by John Byrne: 28%, 438 power points, 19 first place votes

I chose this only because I figure we have a long wait until the Masterworks. I believe this to be our first true 80's Masterwork. Won't have for sometime since the Classics are still running around.

8) Fantastic Four by John Byrne: 25%, 432 power points, 24 first place votes

2012- nuff said!!!!


9) Fantastic Four Vol. 3: 24%, 373 power points, 16 first place votes

I think this is at least a few years away. Not enough distance between omnis and Masterworks. How can people wait so long for omnis?




10) Invaders: 24%, 347 power points, 15 first place votes


Voted for this too for the same reasons as Alpha Flight.


11) Uncanny X-Men Vol. 2: 21%, 335 power points, 24 first place votes

See FF V. 3.



12) Avengers Vol. 1: 18%, 281 power points, 11 first place votes


Already on the way. Now is the time to start clammoring for V. 2.


13) Incredible Hulk by Peter David Vol. 1: 19%, 254 power points, 10 first place votes

For the most part the same reasons as Alpha Flight and Invaders. I voted for this too.



14) What If? Vol. 1: 17%, 216 power points, 5 first place votes

Hoping for the Masterworks of this- including TOS Warcher backups (which Cory already said won't happen). See reasons for this not happening above with Alpha Flight and Invaders.



15) Champions: 17%, 211 power points, 3 first place votes

See above.


16) Thor Vol. 2: 16%, 210 power points, 3 first place votes

2013 with the release of Thor 2.


17) New Mutants Vol. 1: 14%, 181 power points, 4 first place votes

This is primed for 80's Masterworking- after Alpha Flight that is. #2 most logical 80's Masterwork.



18) Excalibur Vol. 1: 13%, 165 power points, 1 first place votes


Same as Alpha Flight, Invaders.............



19) Wolverine Vol. 2: 11%, 163 power points, 5 first place votes


Isn't the first volume still in print? Not going to happen any time soon.



20) Captain America Vol. 2: 10%, 110 power points, 2 first place votes


Same as UXM V. 2



21) Golden Age Captain America Vol. 1: 7%, 98 power points, 3 first place votes


Cory already said don't plan on any more GA omnis any time soon.



22) Atlas Era Super Heroes: 7%, 98 power points, 3 first place votes


Same as above.


23) Thor by Dan Jurgens & John Romita Jr.: 7%, 94 power points, 5 first place votes


I voted for this. Hate TPBs. Let's hope enough of them are OOP sooner rather than later.


24) Incredible Hulk Vol. 2: 7%, 78 power points, 3 first place votes

See Captain America V. 2.


25) Deadpool Vol. 1: 6%, 66 power points, 1 first place votes

Hasn't this been a hot rumor lately? Let's hope so.

26) Iron Man Vol. 3: 6%, 58 power points, 1 first place votes


See Incredible Hulk V. 2.





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Joined: May 16th, 2011, 10:35 pm

November 17th, 2011, 9:57 am #162

Matthew McCallum wrote:My thoughts carry no more weight than anyone elses on this side of the glass, but I don't see how they can have X-Men continue to surge ahead without bringing on a New Mutants line and eventually a Wolverine line. We've probably got four or five volumes before we really need to worry about Wolverine, but I think New Mutants has to come along in the next two or three volumes of Uncanny X-Men.

And let's not forget: at its current pace, Amazing Spider-Man is only six volumes away from hiting the 1980s, so unless that line slows down a bit by going into a rotation with Marvel Team-Up and/or Spectacular Spider-Man, we'll have another 1980s series on our hands, with Fantastic Four and Avengers close behind.
I'm a Masterwork neophyte, but I really can't see New Mutants ever getting a MMW. It's already in print in TPB classics with very similar mapping to potential MMWs that are only a handful of volumes from covering the entire series( in combination w/crossover HCs). 

More to the point, New Mutants largely isn't relevant to a read of Uncanny.

Spectacular Spider-Man is a little bit of a different issue in my mind, as we're talking about a single primary character in stories across multiple series, and to my knowledge the early issues aren't collected in color (yes?).
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Five Years Later
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Joined: July 31st, 2006, 10:56 am

November 17th, 2011, 10:17 am #163

Matthew McCallum wrote:

And let's not forget: at its current pace, Amazing Spider-Man is only six volumes away from hiting the 1980s, so unless that line slows down a bit by going into a rotation with Marvel Team-Up and/or Spectacular Spider-Man, we'll have another 1980s series on our hands, with Fantastic Four and Avengers close behind.
In six years those books will be almost 40 years old.  
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Matthew McCallum
Silver Age
Joined: June 13th, 2010, 4:18 pm

November 17th, 2011, 12:28 pm #164

Five Years Later wrote:
Matthew McCallum wrote:

And let's not forget: at its current pace, Amazing Spider-Man is only six volumes away from hiting the 1980s, so unless that line slows down a bit by going into a rotation with Marvel Team-Up and/or Spectacular Spider-Man, we'll have another 1980s series on our hands, with Fantastic Four and Avengers close behind.
In six years those books will be almost 40 years old.  
You had to remind me of that, didn't you? (Grumble, grumble, grumble...)

  
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November 17th, 2011, 12:54 pm #165

krisis wrote:I'm a Masterwork neophyte, but I really can't see New Mutants ever getting a MMW.

I agree. Wolverine too. They just don't seem necessary, IMO.
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Matthew McCallum
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Joined: June 13th, 2010, 4:18 pm

November 17th, 2011, 1:28 pm #166

krisis wrote:
Matthew McCallum wrote:
My thoughts carry no more weight than anyone elses on this side of the glass, but I don't see how they can have X-Men continue to surge ahead without bringing on a New Mutants line and eventually a Wolverine line. We've probably got four or five volumes before we really need to worry about Wolverine, but I think New Mutants has to come along in the next two or three volumes of Uncanny X-Men.

And let's not forget: at its current pace, Amazing Spider-Man is only six volumes away from hiting the 1980s, so unless that line slows down a bit by going into a rotation with Marvel Team-Up and/or Spectacular Spider-Man, we'll have another 1980s series on our hands, with Fantastic Four and Avengers close behind.
I'm a Masterwork neophyte, but I really can't see New Mutants ever getting a MMW. It's already in print in TPB classics with very similar mapping to potential MMWs that are only a handful of volumes from covering the entire series( in combination w/crossover HCs). 

More to the point, New Mutants largely isn't relevant to a read of Uncanny.

Spectacular Spider-Man is a little bit of a different issue in my mind, as we're talking about a single primary character in stories across multiple series, and to my knowledge the early issues aren't collected in color (yes?).
Only Cory knows these things. I'm merely engaged in a bit of Kremlinology, trying a flesh-out a full picture from the hints we tease out, then filling in the gaps with reasoned speculation. Here's my number one rule of thumb that I've developed over the last few years of observation:

Rule 1:
If a 1960s or 1970s series hasn't been collected in colour, then it appears to have a greater chance of being collected by the Masterworks program.

So, for example, series like Tomb of Dracula (Omnibus and trades) and Invaders (trades) aren't likely to be collected as Masterworks any time soon, compared to a series like Marvel Two-In-One (no colour collections yet apart from individual story arcs) which we should see in the next year or two. Therefore, using this rule, Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider-Man which hasn't been collected in colour to date, seems a sure fire bet for the Masterworks program.

The Exception To Rule 1:
If a line is already started in Masterworks, and a later portion of the run is collected in colour, eventually that material will get published in Masterworks.

Thus, I expect Black Panther Masterworks Volume 2 -- already mostly covered in two Jack Kirby trade paperbacks -- will come out eventually. Similarly, Captain America By Jack Kirby Omnibus covers material that the Captain America Masterworks will reach around 2020, which by then the Omnibus should be long out of print and the Masterworks line will continue. The Death Of Captain Marvel MPC delayed the release of Captain Marvel Masterworks Volume 4 due to duplicated material between the two hardcovers, but the Masterworks line eventually continued.

So, you might say, how does this rule of thumb apply to the 1980s? Good question. There's been a fair amount of debate about whether or not the Masterworks program will extend into the 1980s (apart from Uncanny X-Men, of course). A lot of the prime 1980s material is getting repinted in trades or Omnibus, including New Mutants and Wolverine. Until we have another 1980s Masterwork line, we really have nothing solid upon with to rest any speculation.

It is possible that Wolverine (for example) will follow the Captain America By Jack Kirby example: By the time we're ready for a Masterworks line, the Omnibus will be long out of print. But we've also got to question the longevity of the Uncanny X-Men Masterworks line. We should anticipate it going through at least issue 209, but after that we're running into the other collected editions. Does the line continue past that point?

So my Wolverine / New Mutants comments were in regard to an Uncanny X-Men Masterworks line being a going concern past issue 209, and thus as that line moves deeper into the 1980s, I would expect that New Mutants and Wolverine would likely follow in its Masterworks wake.

That said, my crystal ball is no less foggy than anyone else's not part of Cory's team.
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Joined: December 17th, 2011, 5:30 pm

December 17th, 2011, 6:44 pm #167

Didnt get here in time for survey but I have a few comments on results

- Im right at the median age of 40. Must be the age when people get the itch to collect again

- Add me to the list that never buys essentials. Maybe its the old collector in me that doesnt like to see issues get that treatment

- My ideal Omnibus is 700-900 pages. Like it meaty but not enough to bruise my lap.

- Funny that Byrne FF finshed lower than Byrne Alpha Flight but FF got the Omnibus first. Maybe Marvel can correct that in 2012

- Suprised that Punisher War Zone finished dead last in premiere classics category. Romita Jr. did great artwork for that series

- Doesnt seem Iron Fist Vol. 2 is getting the quick solicit like survey predicted. Cant wait for that. The series that got me interested in Marvel.

- Infinity Omnibus would be bare bones if it only collect the main issues of gauntlet through crusade. I consider it one big story and think Thanos Quest and Silver Surfer #50 and a few others are essential

-More likely What If? comes out in MMW or Omnibus?
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Matthew McCallum
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December 18th, 2011, 5:07 pm #168

Byrneiac wrote:- Funny that Byrne FF finshed lower than Byrne Alpha Flight but FF got the Omnibus first. Maybe Marvel can correct that in 2012
There was already an Amazon Fish for the Fantastic Four By John Byrne Omnibus Volume 1 and it even may have been official solicited just when the survey came out, so I think a number of respondents didn't bother to vote for it because it was actually on it's way.
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