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South Asians and East Asians under 1 category in U.S. census

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May 5th, 2007, 3:28 pm #1

Maju wrote: Yes, Siberia and West Asia are excluded for some strange reason, while East Asians and South Asians are systematically dumped together under the "Asian" tag, no matter they have nearly no relation at all with each other, neither historically nor genetically nor even phenetically. I even read that, for some additional weird reason, US South Asians campaigned to be included under such odd pseudo-racial tag (and no, don't ask me what tag was used before to describe them, I really have no idea nor I want to know).
South Asians (Indians atleast and anyone east of them, Bengaladeshis and Sri Lankans) are included with East Asians (including NE and SE Asians) under the same race in the U.S.: Asian-Pacific Islanders (which also includeds not only Polynesians but I guess Oceanieans: Australian et.).

The strange thing is that many ethnically-based organizations (such as Asian American magazines) actually buy into this sweeping designation. Among articles about East Asians, there will be a few about South Asians. In reality, East Asian Americans and South Asians tend to socialize as separate groups in society and really have no more common ground, in my humble opinion, then Hispanics or African Americans to each other.

(Hispanics is another mythical race created by the U.S. census in which totally sub-Saharan-looking Dominicans can be the same race as totally northern European-looking Venezualans and totally Native American-looking Guatemalans, and people, even Hispanics themselves, but into this newly created race. I've witnessed Hispanics who other-wise would be considered black being racist to blacks.)

In Britain, I here that "Asian" equals to South Asians while East Asians are referred to as Orientals. Can't say the names are all that PC but atleast they can tell the difference.

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May 5th, 2007, 9:11 pm #2

I learned a bit into the Anglosaxon (UK, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) census concepts of race (that are all very much alike) because I got involved in a very nasty dispute in Wikipedia with certain Nazis who wanted to bias all race-related articles and used the Anglosaxon census to their advantage in the discussion.

And what it seems is that all those countries, the only ones I know that describe "race" in their census (apart of some Latin-American countries like Brazil, that follow another system), describe people original from the area that appears as purple as "Asian", not "East Asian". "Caucasian" is considered in such Anglosaxon racialist systems only from Iran westward (with some variability in what refers to Central Asia).

The "Asian" race issue sparked new disputes because these Nazis wanted to invent out of nothing but such a biased Anglosaxon concept an "Asian people" with their article, excluding West Asia and Siberia (i.e. almost half of Asia as it's considered normally).

Hispanic is not technically considered a racial descrption but a cultural one, I think, yet it's used as alternative to the other "races".

Some Latin American countries, notably Brazil, also use racialist terms in census but this is measured not by the respondent but by the officer, being supposedly more objective but also showing that same color people are classified in whiter "race" segments if they are affluent than if they ar not (so a rich black is likely to be considered mulatto much more easily than if he's poor, etc.)

Racism in Latin American, with many local variables probably, exists as much as in the USA maybe but seems to take different forms, mainly because admixture (specially if it's with whites) is considered something "good" (at least traditionally). While Anglosaxon culture is more prone to pure apartheid (one-drop rule), Latin one is more favorable to what we could call "assimilative racism" (i.e. if you or your descendants get culturally or biologically whiter, that's not just socially acceptable but actually welcomed). There's no such aversion to admixture as such though there is a racist hierarchy.
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