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Superzorro
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Oct 18 2017, 11:30 AM #1

Let's discuss recent events! The world seems to be burning down around us with an ever-increasing presence of the right, crazy heads of state (for as far as that isn't tautological) and general political instability. What do you guys think is the cause of this? Is there anything you think we might have missed? Are any of you personally involved?

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shwampy
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Oct 18 2017, 07:13 PM #2

the crash of 2008 seems to have kick started it all?

Arguably it led to the Arab Spring, which eventually led to the war in Syria, which released a wave of refugees, that led to rise of right wing anti immigration parties?
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Oct 19 2017, 12:19 PM #3

Is there really a 'wave' of refugees though? Most of the statistics I have seen didn't show that much of surge except in countries that are very close to the conflict areas (Turkey, Lebanon, Greece, Italy are the ones I can think of from the top of my head).

In the Netherlands, the government built loads of refugee centers and a lot of them are abandoned now. Yet we still have clowns like Geert Wilders and Thierry Baudet who enjoy ever increasing support and there's a growing countermovement of people with an immigration background who do exactly the same thing but against the 'Dutch'.

Also, what's up with all these new far right politicians being total clowns and caricatures?



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Oct 19 2017, 05:55 PM #4

ah, good point, I should have said "fear of a flood of refugees"
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Oct 20 2017, 11:26 AM #5

Where are you from, Shwampy? What have you experienced of this? Personally, I find it difficult to trust statistics and media, because it's so easy represent the data in ways that fit their narrative. This became very apparent to me after lurking on the The_Donald subreddit for a while. Those people can also quote all kinds of statistics that seem to back them up.

In the end, it seems, most of us just decide to believe whatever we want to believe and look for the evidence that supports that instead of the other way around.



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Oct 20 2017, 06:43 PM #6

UK

where we have the Daily Hate printing cartoons like this:



https://www.imediaethics.org/daily-mail ... itics-say/
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Oct 21 2017, 11:35 AM #7

Oh, wow, they're literally back to comparing people with rats again...

I despise organized religion and the views they have of women and LGBT people in the Middle East, but they're still people and I would also try to leave with the things that are going on over there. I feel all this hostility and dehumanizing is the cause for all things the right is saying it wants to protect people from. At the same time, I think the people who were waiting for refugees at train stations with welcoming signs were hopelessly naive. This is a crappy situation and it was never going to end satisfactorily. ¬_¬

Capitalism has to be the blame for this somehow, but I haven't figured that one out just yet. ;)



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Oct 25 2017, 12:04 PM #8

I live in Japan where everything is perfect. :)
We don't understand why you baka gaijin have such problems.
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Oct 26 2017, 12:00 PM #9

Last time Japan tried fascism didn't work out so well either. Guess some people over here do want to give it another try.



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