Clock Question - Did Internal Explosions

Clock Question - Did Internal Explosions

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Sep 19 2007, 06:04 PM #1

Clock Question - Did Internal Explosions, Stop the clocks 5 to 11 minutes before impact with Pentagon wall?
I have a question that's been bothering me and I'm hoping someone could elaborate. I followed the flight path of the plane going to the pentagon and it stops at 9:37,but the clocks inside the crash site at the pentagon say 9:32. Can someone please explain. I'll keep checking in for an answer, thanks.
Two clocks (Pentagon Helipad Clock - Pentagon Clock) stopped long before the official Flight 77 crash time of 9:37 AM which was moved back from the original official time of 9:43 AM when the Pentagon Strike planners realized their timing sucked. Obviously someone within the Pentagon heirarchy wanted the evidence preserved which is why these two clocks have not been confiscated and censored by OUR FBI nor have they been shipped to China for expedited recycling. One clock is at the Smithsonian. Barbara Honegger with her very excellent first hand testimony upset the apple cart with the evidence of when these clocks and many other clocks in the targeted Pentagon offices stopped. Of course in a first rate military establishment like the Pentagon, all personnel are expected to be on time and precise timekeeping is a military tradition, so it is likely these clocks kept reliable time. The Pentagon was apparently bombed with preplanted explosives at about 9:32 during which the Navy Command Center personnel and those persons involved in auditing the missing $2.3 Trillion Defense Department funds, located in nearby offices and in the basement, were killed and then according to some theories, about 5-11 minutes later the Pentagon wall was struck by what appeared to have been a Tomahawk missile. Of course the entire official theory of an alleged Flight 77 757 aircraft hitting the Pentagon is meant as a cover for the preplanted explosives meant to kill the targeted personnel. :D

THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS by Barbara Honegger wrote:The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon—9:32. Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.

Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks on the walls of the area of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11—including one in the heliport just outside the west face—were stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 by a violent event, almost certainly a bomb or bombs inside the building and/or in a truck or construction trailer parked right outside the west face. The first Associated Press report, in fact, stated that the Pentagon had been damaged by a “booby trapped truck.” The Navy posted the stopped heliport clock on an official website and another of the stopped clocks is in the 9/11 display at the Smithsonian Institution.2 These are just some of the west section Pentagon clocks that stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 on September 11.

April Gallop, an Army employee with a Top Secret clearance, was at her desk in the Army administrative offices in the west section of the Pentagon on 9/11, the area of the building most heavily destroyed, when what she said sounded and felt “like a bomb” went off. “Being in the Army with the training I had, I know what a bomb sounds and acts like, especially the aftermath, and it sounded and acted like a bomb. There was no plane or plane parts inside the building, and no smell of jet fuel.” Ms. Gallop still has the watch she was wearing that morning, which stopped shortly after 9:30.

I have interviewed an Army auditor from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey, who was on temporary duty assignment at the Pentagon before, on and after 9/11. He was in the Army financial management spaces only minutes before the Pentagon explosion on the morning of 9/11. He had just returned to his temporary office on the ground floor of the adjacent south side of the Pentagon by the cafeteria when he heard an explosion and felt the building shake. Immediately afterwards, he said, hundreds of panicked Pentagon personnel ran by him down the corridor just outside his office and out the South Entrance, yelling “Bombs!” and “A bomb went off!” The witness has requested that his name not be used in this summary, but is willing to testify to a grand jury or independent official investigation.

This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was “missing”—could not account for and needed to “find”—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could “follow the money,” and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the “missing” trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remotecontrol
technology.
http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf
Donald Rumsfeld wrote:"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center." -Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, in an interview with Parade Magazine on October 12th, 2001, from inside the Pentagon
'Hindsight allows us to realize that
9-11 was the Bush Administration's
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Sep 19 2007, 06:36 PM #2

This is what was filmed by Naudet Bros film, Youtube it if you like to see it yourself...


Tony (the rookie and subject of the Naudet documentary) is the only guy at the station -- as the rook, perhaps he gets the worst job, which is manning the empy fire station.

He is nervous and pacing, clearly wants to be at the Fire Scene a few blocks away with the guys.

At the same time he is watching TV glued to CNN, like 90% of the country.

Suddenly the NEWS telegram from Pentagon comes in. The ticker on bottom reads "Pentagon on Fire"

Tony now repeats the telegram from TV: They Bombed Pentagon !

Above Tony´s head there is a conspicuous black and white clock mounted on the Fire Station Wall.

The time on the clock reads 9:30 on the button.



Current or former firefighters and first responders are not known for their sloppiness with timekeeping. they must report the "Time Out" for every call.

Even allowing for one or two minutes off on the timepiece, consider that for the CNN ticker to run "Pentagon On Fire" -- the following had to happen

1) Someone reported Pentagon on fire to CNN
2) CNN confirmed with it's on-site people
3) Text on ticker modified to report the news

This sequence would be fast, but, let's presume two minutes elapsed.

Therefore, the Pentagon, or part of it, was reported on fire as of 9:30 am.

Multiple sources corroborate this.

as much verbiage has been expended on the mysterious disappearance of AA77, and the reappearance of a similar, if not identical, aircraft near or at the Pentagon E ring facade, at a time of 9:37,

no Pentagon research or account is intellectually honest without addressing the issue of the 9:30 events.

WHAT HAPPENED SEVEN MINUTES BEFORE ANY AIRCRAFT WAS ON THE SCENE>?
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Sep 19 2007, 07:16 PM #3

Why aren't there dozens or even hundreds of witnesses corroborating this outrageous claim? If a bomb goes of in the building, shouldn't lots of people noticed it?

I honestly can't believe that you're basing this entire theory on a. Pair. Of. Broken. Clocks.
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Sep 20 2007, 02:38 AM #4

hotrob1017 @ Sep 19 2007, 03:16 PM wrote:Why aren't there dozens or even hundreds of witnesses corroborating this outrageous claim? If a bomb goes of in the building, shouldn't lots of people noticed it?

I honestly can't believe that you're basing this entire theory on a. Pair. Of. Broken. Clocks.
You haven't studied this Pentagon scenario very much have you? :D
'Hindsight allows us to realize that
9-11 was the Bush Administration's
first shock and awe
campaign.'

..$$$ $$$ THE NEW WORLD ORDER $$$ $$$
..................322..................] $$$....................666.................] $$$................... 322
.....................THE ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS
.........................ENDLESS WARS FOR ENDLESS PROFITS
...THUS 9-11 WAS JUSTIFIABLE TO THIS NECESSARY END
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Sep 20 2007, 02:56 AM #5

SPreston @ Sep 20 2007, 02:38 AM wrote:
hotrob1017 @ Sep 19 2007, 03:16 PM wrote:Why aren't there dozens or even hundreds of witnesses corroborating this outrageous claim? If a bomb goes of in the building, shouldn't lots of people noticed it?

I honestly can't believe that you're basing this entire theory on a. Pair. Of. Broken. Clocks.
You haven't studied this Pentagon scenario very much have you? :D
Obviously.
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With such intense technical planning in other aspects do you not think they would have said we shouldn't :

A) hit the (light) poles
B ) blow up the WTC
C) blow up WTC7
D) fake hijackers
E) bomb the GWB bridge
F) fake bin laden taps

because the guys on the Internet will figure it out?
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Sep 20 2007, 04:11 AM #6

Apparently I haven't studied your scenario. Care to explain?
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Sep 20 2007, 11:30 AM #7

hotrob1017 @ Sep 20 2007, 12:11 AM wrote:Apparently I haven't studied your scenario. Care to explain?
No, not really. The Pentagon scenario is quite simple to research and we have gone over it thoroughly numerous times on this forum. There is a great deal of information in previous threads which I really don't need to dig out again for a person who does not really give a damn what the truth is. :D

But there is one item. Barbara Honegger is a person I would trust quite readily over these US mainstream media persons and shills and obvious liars and persons who illegally keep crime scene evidence for themselves (Aziz ElHallan) and persons with no last names all of which the government has used as 'witnesses' for their Official Conspiracy Theory, because she has proven her loyalty to the American people in the past by exposing the criminal activity and treasonous affiliations of the Bush/Reagan Regime in Iran/Contra. Barbara Honeggar and others such as CIA NOC covert agent Valerie Plame and Defense Intelligence Agency whistleblower Nelda Rogers and FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds all gag-ordered by the corrupt Bush Regime by the way, have proven their faithfulness to We the People by their actions. Barbara Honegger's testimony and her questioning of Pentagon witnesses is a strong part of the evidence of the Pentagon scenario. :D
THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS by Barbara Honegger wrote:The Pentagon and mainstream media first reported 9:43 as the time of alleged Flight 77 impact (some reports, presumably taken from official sources, were as late as 9:48 and 9:47). Over time, the time given by officials for the claimed outside impact on the building has been moved earlier and earlier, down to 9:37 (as of the time of this writing), but has never come close to the actual time of the first violent event at the Pentagon—9:32. Clearly, if the official story that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at 9:37 were true, Flight 77 could not have been the source of massive damage to the west side of the building a minimum of five minutes earlier at 9:32.

Multiple standard-issue, battery-operated wall clocks on the walls of the area of the Pentagon attacked on 9/11—including one in the heliport just outside the west face—were stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 by a violent event, almost certainly a bomb or bombs inside the building and/or in a truck or construction trailer parked right outside the west face. The first Associated Press report, in fact, stated that the Pentagon had been damaged by a “booby trapped truck.” The Navy posted the stopped heliport clock on an official website and another of the stopped clocks is in the 9/11 display at the Smithsonian Institution.2 These are just some of the west section Pentagon clocks that stopped between 9:31 and 9:32-1/2 on September 11.

April Gallop, an Army employee with a Top Secret clearance, was at her desk in the Army administrative offices in the west section of the Pentagon on 9/11, the area of the building most heavily destroyed, when what she said sounded and felt “like a bomb” went off. “Being in the Army with the training I had, I know what a bomb sounds and acts like, especially the aftermath, and it sounded and acted like a bomb. There was no plane or plane parts inside the building, and no smell of jet fuel.” Ms. Gallop still has the watch she was wearing that morning, which stopped shortly after 9:30.

I have interviewed an Army auditor from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey, who was on temporary duty assignment at the Pentagon before, on and after 9/11. He was in the Army financial management spaces only minutes before the Pentagon explosion on the morning of 9/11. He had just returned to his temporary office on the ground floor of the adjacent south side of the Pentagon by the cafeteria when he heard an explosion and felt the building shake. Immediately afterwards, he said, hundreds of panicked Pentagon personnel ran by him down the corridor just outside his office and out the South Entrance, yelling “Bombs!” and “A bomb went off!” The witness has requested that his name not be used in this summary, but is willing to testify to a grand jury or independent official investigation.

This Army financial management/audit area is part of, or contiguous to, the Army personnel offices, which was one of two main west section offices heavily destroyed in the Pentagon attack, the other being the Naval Command Center. The day before 9/11, September 10, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld held a press conference at which he acknowledged that the Pentagon was “missing”—could not account for and needed to “find”—$2.3 Trillion dollars (other reports said $2.6 Trillion). Were the auditors who could “follow the money,” and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted? It is worth noting that the Pentagon’s top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the “missing” trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remotecontrol
technology.
http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf
THE PENTAGON ATTACK PAPERS by Barbara Honegger wrote:I have interviewed an Army auditor from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey, who was on temporary duty assignment at the Pentagon before, on and after 9/11. He was in the Army financial management spaces only minutes before the Pentagon explosion on the morning of 9/11. He had just returned to his temporary office on the ground floor of the adjacent south side of the Pentagon by the cafeteria when he heard an explosion and felt the building shake. Immediately afterwards, he said, hundreds of panicked Pentagon personnel ran by him down the corridor just outside his office and out the South Entrance, yelling “Bombs!” and “A bomb went off!” The witness has requested that his name not be used in this summary, but is willing to testify to a grand jury or independent official investigation.
http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf
Patriots Question 911 wrote:Barbara Honegger, MS – Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Department of Defense's advanced science, technology and national security affairs university (1995 - present).  Graduate of the Naval War College master's program in National Security Decision Making (2001).  Former White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant to President Ronald Reagan (1981 - 1983).

Former Director of the Attorney General's Anti-Discrimination Law Review, U.S. Department of Justice (1982 - 1983).  Author of the pioneering Irangate expose October Surprise (1989). Author of the chapter "The Pentagon Attack Papers" included in The Terror Conspiracy: Deception, 9/11 and the Loss of Liberty by Jim Marrs (2006).
Contributing author to The Terror Conspiracy: Deception, 9/11 and the Loss of Liberty 9/6/06:  "The US military, not al Qaeda, had the sustained access weeks before 9/11 to also plant controlled demolition charges throughout the superstructures of WTC 1 and WTC 2, and in WTC 7, which brought down all three buildings on 9/11. ...

A US military plane, not one piloted by al Qaeda, performed the highly skilled, high−speed 270−degree dive towards the Pentagon that Air Traffic Controllers on 9/11 were sure was a military plane as they watched it on their screens. Only a military aircraft, not a civilian plane flown by al Qaeda, would have given off the "Friendly" signal needed to disable the Pentagon’s anti−aircraft missile batteries as it approached the building.

Only the US military, not al Qaeda, had the ability to break all of its Standard Operating Procedures to paralyze its own emergency response system." http://physics911.net/pdf/honegger.pdf
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
'Hindsight allows us to realize that
9-11 was the Bush Administration's
first shock and awe
campaign.'

..$$$ $$$ THE NEW WORLD ORDER $$$ $$$
..................322..................] $$$....................666.................] $$$................... 322
.....................THE ENDS ALWAYS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS
.........................ENDLESS WARS FOR ENDLESS PROFITS
...THUS 9-11 WAS JUSTIFIABLE TO THIS NECESSARY END
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Sep 20 2007, 05:20 PM #8

No, not really. The Pentagon scenario is quite simple to research and we have gone over it thoroughly numerous times on this forum.
You say "scenario" as if there's only one theory of what happened to the building. I've heard about a dozen, including that it was a jetliner, a military plane, a cruise missile, a dropped bomb, a planted bomb, etc.



...I really don't need to dig out again for a person who does not really give a damn what the truth is.
Excuse me? I'm on this board, same as you. If I didn't care about the truth, I would never have watched Loose Change in the first place or bothered to investigate its claims. Let's keep this on-topic without resorting to distracting ad hominem attacks.


Barbara Honegger is a person I would trust quite readily over these US mainstream media persons and shills and obvious liars and persons who illegally keep crime scene evidence for themselves ...
Well, clearly you're completely objective in evaluating who to trust.

...persons with no last names all of which the government has used as 'witnesses' for their Official Conspiracy Theory...
And what of the numerous people who do have last names that affirm the presence of a jet at the Pentagon? Oh, and why don't we take a look at this quote of yours a little further down?
The witness has requested that his name not be used in this summary, but is willing to testify to a grand jury or independent official investigation.
You complain about the government not providing last names of its witnesses (even though it did), yet you won't even give the first name of yours.

Barbara Honeggar and others such as CIA NOC covert agent Valerie Plame and Defense Intelligence Agency whistleblower Nelda Rogers and FBI translator turned whistleblower Sibel Edmonds all gag-ordered by the corrupt Bush Regime by the way, have proven their faithfulness to We the People by their actions.
Uh-huh. Tell me, if they're suffering under some all-encompassing gag-order, why are they speaking freely in public about their very negative opinions of President Bush and his administration? This seems a little sloppy for the supposed "masterminds" behind the most brilliant and well-executed public deception in history.

As for the remainder of your quotes, I already addressed them in another thread on this same forum.
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Sep 20 2007, 08:17 PM #10

Hmmm... the clock in the Naudet video too huh? Russell - so is this a clock mechanics thing where it swings towards down, to some stop point aroun 9:32, if it were at about 9:37 when it fell? I have no such clocks to spare right now... but given the gears inside this makes some sense. Unless it was broken well enough, in which case gravity would leave it on the six forever.

But it's not just clocks. Thinking back on Honegger's piece, there are other clues too, like Alberto Gonzaels' citing that time, an FAA timeline that hadd the crash then, some foreign dignitary, and the fact that the stock exchange closed at that precise time. It is an interesting confluence of the compelling and coincidental/tagential.

Honegger has made other mistakes. She thinks Osama is in captivity, as Richard Reid, shoe bomber.

And of corse this clock:
Are there two plants in this picture?
Or is the 9:32 stuff disinfo? Was it purposefully set up (w/elite utterances) or simply woven from innocent mistakes? Or is it correct? Was there a bomb powerful enough to knock clocks off the wall both inside and at the heliport? And then the whatever scenario?

Mark Gaffney's interpretation - seems to think the plane hit at that time, later fudged so people might think the E4-B over DC after 9:32 might've been "Flight 77," so that flight could be played off that way even tho the PTB never did show 77 over DC and the E4B was filmed and identified anyway. mystery plane
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Sep 20 2007, 11:13 PM #11

Russell Pickering @ Sep 20 2007, 05:32 PM wrote:


If there was already smoke rising then the flyover plane flew through it?

Did they have a second set of explosions to cover the plane?
Of course, we have to also add the Danish fellow's time corroboration (9:30am) -- al Gonzales insistence on the 9:30 timestamp, and the CNN report of "pentagon on Fire" at 9:30, documented in Naudet Brothers.

Russell's points are valid -- a large fire or explosion visible from Exterior (E ring) would be likely noticed by passers-by.

Any and /or all of the 9:30 fire and/or explosive events would be subsumed by later 9:37 E ring facade events, planes & fire.
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Sep 21 2007, 02:50 PM #12

I grant you that, if an earlier internal explosion occurred, people might be distracted from it quickly by the plane attack and subsequent rescue operations.

But would they forget entirely? Why aren't large numbers of people talking to police, FBI, and reporters about the bombs that they actually witnessed going off in the building?
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Sep 21 2007, 03:59 PM #13

hotrob1017 @ Sep 21 2007, 10:50 AM wrote:I grant you that, if an earlier internal explosion occurred, people might be distracted from it quickly by the plane attack and subsequent rescue operations.

But would they forget entirely? Why aren't large numbers of people talking to police, FBI, and reporters about the bombs that they actually witnessed going off in the building?
Perhaps large numbers of people have been talking to police, FBI, and reporters about the bombs that they actually witnessed going off in the building at 9:32 and afterwards. Perhaps the politically-controlled police and FBI don't wish the testimonies to become public. Certainly the bought and paid-for reporters and their corrupt corporate-owned editors won't touch the issue with a ten foot pole. If the FBI would go to the extremes of confiscating and censoring all the security videos and confiscating and censoring all the Arlington County 9-11 call-ins and transcripts, what makes you think they would deal openly with witnesses wanting to discuss bombs going off in the Pentagon prior to the official impact time and afterwards? Unfortunately many of the early widely published accounts of bombs and smells of explosives inside the Pentagon have successfully been removed from the public view. :D
Explosive Detonation wrote:Eyewitness Accounts Indicate the Pentagon Attack Involved Explosive Detonation
Many of the over 100 eyewitness accounts in Eric Bart's compilation recall characteristics of the explosion that accompanied the September 11th attack on the Pentagon that indicate the detonation of a powerful explosive device. Two such characteristics are:

a sharp detonation wave and silvery flash
the smell of cordite
These characteristics cannot be explained by the rapid combusion of jet fuel.

Flash and Detonation Wave

Air Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire -- from in his office on the D ring, near the eighth corridor 
It shot me back in my chair. There was a huge blast. I could feel the air shock wave of it. I didn't know exactly what it was. It didn't rumble. It was more of a direct smack. 

Terry Morin, a former USMC aviator -- heard from the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex 
I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off 1/2 mile in front of you

James S Robbins -- from office 1 1/2 miles from Pentagon 
There was a silvery flash, an explosion, and a dark, mushroom shaped cloud rose over the building. I froze, gaping for a second until the sound of the detonation, a sharp pop at that distance, shook me out of it. 

Jeff Anlauf -- from 14th floor of the Sheraton Hotel, located 1.6 miles from the explosion 
Then, about 5 seconds later, the whole hotel shook. I could feel it moving. 

Peter M. Murphy -- in Mr. Murphy's office on the fourth floor of the Pentagon's outermost ring, the E-Ring, overlooking the helo-pad 
At that instant, a tremendous explosion with what Mr. Murphy said was a noise "louder than any noise he had ever heard" shook the room. Mr. Murphy, who had been standing with his back to the window, was knocked entirely across the room, while Hogue was jolted into his office. 

Mike Dobbs -- 
Everyone said there was a deafening explosion, but with the adrenaline, we didn't hear it. 

Noel Sepulveda -- in parking lot, over one hundred feet from explosion 
For a brief moment, you could see the body of the plane sticking out from the side of the building. Then a ball of fire came from behind it. An explosion followed, sending Sepulveda flying against a light pole. 

Master Sergeant Noel Sepulveda -- standing only 150 feet from the point of impact 
... followed by an explosion; and the blast of the impact was so tremendous, that from his vantage point, it threw him backward over 100 feet slamming into a light pole causing him internal injuries. 

SGT Dewey Snavelyles Fowler -- driving along Arlington's Quaker Lane 
Then we heard an explosion and the truck rocked back and forth. 

Navy Capt. Charles Fowler -- heard from inside the Pentagon 
You could feel the building shake. You knew it was a major explosion. 

Lt. Col. Ted Anderson -- 
We ran to the end of our building, turned left and saw nothing but huge, billowing black smoke, and a brilliant, brilliant explosion of fire 

Cordite

Don Perkal -- 
Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere. 

Gilah Goldsmith -- 
We saw a huge black cloud of smoke, she said, saying it smelled like cordite, or gun smoke.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/ev ... osive.html
Bright white initial flash in the security videos. Not a jet fuel explosion but high explosives. :D

Pentagon Explosion wrote:Explosion at Pentagon Involved More than Jet Fuel Combustion
The Pentagon attack involved an explosive detonation. This is documented by eyewitness reports of several features of the event that can be explained by powerful explosives, but not by the impact of a jetliner and combustion of its fuel. Those features include:

A shockwave that was strong enough to knock people off their feet hundreds of feet from the center of the blast
The odor of cordite, an explosive compound
A bright silvery flash

Strong Shockwave
Several witnesses described a shockwave that knocked them to the ground, both inside and outside the building. Several described it as a concussion. Such a shockwave cannot be explained by the combustion of jet fuel, and indicates the detonation of an explosive. Explosive detonations produce blast pressures thousands of times stronger than hydrocarbon fireballs because explosives are oxidized by chemicals intrinsic to them whereas hydrocarbons rely on oxygen in ambient air for combustion. Consequently the chemical reaction proceeds at a much higher rate in an explosive.

Hydrocarbon fireballs can produce detonation waves if the fuel and air are mixed prior to ignition, but such detonation waves are comparatively weak. The violence of most plane crashes precludes such pre-mixing. In the Twin Tower jet collisions, the columns of the curtain walls diced the fuel tanks in the wings, assuring fuel and air mixing about as optimally as could be imagined in a collision, and yet there were no reports of detonation shockwaves.

Cordite
Cordite is an explosive compound used in aircraft gun ammunition. Several witnesses with the benefit of military experience recognized the smell of this compound. Cordite N consists of three main explosive compounds: nitroguanidine, nitrocellulose, and nitroglycerin. It is cool-burning, and produces little smoke and no flash, but, like other explosives, produces a strong detonation wave.

Silvery Flash
Several witnesses described seeing a bright or silvery flash. This is also inconsistent with jet fuel combustion, which produces a fireball whose color is at brightest yellow, not white or silver. This flash must have been produced by some means other than a cordite explosion, whose detonation is notably free of a flash.
http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/an ... osion.html
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Sep 21 2007, 05:13 PM #14

Russell Pickering @ Sep 20 2007, 05:32 PM wrote:

Let's look at the one on the left. The minute hand is stopped at 9:32. The tip of it is bent towards the face of the clock. BUT note the second hand is out of sync with the minute hand. The plastic face broke off in the fall from the wall.

The minute hand appears to be stopped at 9:31. If this is so then the second hand is again out of sync. The glass was broken in the fall from the wall.
If the hypothesis is that the minute hand of the clockhas been moved as a result of explosive blast damage, or the fall, or even by human agency, that is entirely possible.

However, the clock in the Manhattan firehouse also reads 9:30am when CNN reports the "Pentagon on Fire"

I do not think that the Manhattan clock suffered any blast or stoppage that would have materially altered it's timekeeping.


The Danish Foreign Minister Mr. Per Stig Møller was near the Pentagon and saw SMOKE comming up from Pentagon at 9:32 local time.


The "scatter" in the clock time reads puts more data points in the 9:30-32 range than elsewhere.
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However, please note that any number of explosive and or incendiary events at 9:30-32 may have NOTHING to do with a subsequent airborne object impact
(757 or other) to the Facade of the E ring of Wedge One.

Meaning, explosive events, and a plane strike, can co-exist.

However, any plane strike would have the obvious effect of masking the smoke and noise of prior fire damage, and focusing attention 100% on the E ring and lawn.

Still, the B ring damage death and fire reports stand, as published in the Washington Post. No one as yet has advanced a compelling argument that these accounts were wrong (then retract, pls, Wash Post) nor that the plane strike caused these B ring events.

In fact, I have yet to see a compelling argument that the three separate blow-out burn marks of the inner side of the C ring are due in totality to a plane strike.
I understand the no less an authority than Donald Rumsfeld informed us that the C ring punchout hole was due to the penetrance of the nose-cone......

etc.

So I think the clock stoppage evidence stands fairly solidly on its own, mulitply corroborated by three independant sources.
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Sep 21 2007, 05:37 PM #15

The best evidence concerning the first explosion at the Pentagon is likely to be found on the recorded live NBC broadcast with NBC's Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski,
who was at the Pentagon.

Listen here. It is time stamped indirectly. We know the second the recording starts
and we add the counter to it.

http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110912-0954

Mik was on the phone live shortly before the event at the Pentagon and shortly after the event.

Mik did a live report from the Pentagon from 9:34:14 to 9:35:19 and did not mention any type of explosions at the Pentagon.

Later he broke in and reported on
a very significant event that clearly impressed him at 9:39:08,
breaking in with a report "...it felt, just a few moments ago, like there was an explosion..."
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Oct 8 2007, 12:25 AM #16

Mik's testimony to the explosion event at 9:39 testifies to the "second event"

The first set of events that were documented by CNN at 9:30 with the report "Fire at the Pentagon" -- which you can see in Naudet Bros film -- may have either been
1) not noticed by Mik, based on his location
2) noticed, but not commented on.

CNN's presence at the Pentagon is anything but "independent"
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Oct 10 2007, 12:50 AM #17

Hi Preston:
Preston >>  Two clocks (Pentagon Helipad Clock - Pentagon Clock) stopped long before the official Flight 77 crash time of 9:37 AM which was moved back from the original official time of 9:43 AM when the Pentagon Strike planners realized their timing sucked. Obviously someone within the Pentagon heirarchy wanted the evidence preserved which is why these two clocks have not been confiscated and censored by OUR FBI nor have they been shipped to China for expedited recycling.
My brother is out of the Navy and he says any Navy Clock placed into service in any duty section has a Quartermaster assigned to check the time every day to ensure accuracy to the second. Any fast or slow clock by even a second is taken out of service and recalibrated, before returning to active service. He says the Quartermaster sounds off allowing everyone on board ten seconds to ready, before giving exact time to the second “ . . . on my mark . . .” commonly at sea. He says Navy people are the most tedious timekeepers on earth and the idea of a Navy clock running fast or slow is ridiculous and that will not happen on any base or ship in the Navy.

GL,

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Oct 10 2007, 02:14 AM #18

Terral @ Oct 9 2007, 07:50 PM wrote:My brother is out of the Navy and he says any Navy Clock placed into service in any duty section has a Quartermaster assigned to check the time every day to ensure accuracy to the second.
My brother is out of the Navy and he says...

Are you freaking kidding me???

You sound like Forrest gump.

"My brother is out of the Navy and he says..."

The Pentagon is an OFFICE BUILDING.

Do you really think a Quatermaster comes around to each cubicle every day and blows a whistle to make sure the time is right to the second???

Oh my God.

ANY credibility you may have had (which is none) has now been completely shot.

Damn. You do know what the "Stundies"are at JREF are right?

Because this quote from you should be a slam dunk winner.

I will never again read a post of yours without hearing Tom Hanks.

"My brother says..."




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Oct 10 2007, 10:46 AM #19

Hi Calcas:
Calcas >>  Do you really think a Quatermaster comes around to each cubicle every day and blows a whistle to make sure the time is right to the second???
No sir. Stop being foolish. Every clock at every desk at the Pentagon is not a “Navy Clock” ( http://www.news.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=2480 ) put into service in a duty section for the purpose of keeping perfect time. The point is that the “Navy” putting any clock into service at ‘any’ military installation, base, aircraft carrier, warship or dingy will also assign the section quartermaster to guarantee service, maintain working components and guarantee time accuracy. Before you start running down the Navy: “Barbara Honegger, M.S. is Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School (1995−present), the Navy’s advanced science, technology and national security affairs university ( http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hour ... tember.pdf ), my nephew (Michael Croft) is currently a Trident Staff writer ( http://www.dcmilitary.com/stories/09200 ... 8051.shtml , http://www.dcmilitary.com/stories/09200 ... 8052.shtml ) “United States Navy, Annapolis, Maryland US, Journalist, Public Affairs,” and my brother is out of the Navy and knows more about Navy operations than anyone here (including me). I do not take kindly to you running down poor old Lloyd the taxi driver and most certainly take exception to your attempt to make a mockery of the Naval branch of our military and my Navy family.

Here is another tidbit of information passed along from my paraplegic brother who served on the USS Iwo Jima (aka Iwo-Pig http://hub.cinchouse.com/IwojimaFSG/index.cfm ). He says the Navy updated the defense capability of his Aircraft Carrier back in the late 1970’s with the ‘anti-missile’ Phalanx Weapon System ( http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... d=800&ct=2 ) said to be “. . . just like the system installed at the Pentagon.” Laura Knight-Jadczyk mentions the “. . . five extremely sophisticated anti-missile batteries in place to protect the Pentagon from an airborne attack. These anti-missile batteries operate automatically.” here ( http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm ) And yet, this fool wants to characterize the most heavily defended Military Installation on earth say, “The Pentagon is an OFFICE BUILDING.”

Every reference you see to “Dick Cheney issuing a 9/11 ‘stand down’ ( http://piratenews.org/flight93.html ) order” has to do with disabling Pentagon ‘automatic’ components of the Pentagon Security Grid Network. My brother says the only way any flying object could possibly impact the Pentagon is for ‘all’ the defense security countermeasures to be turned off from the inside. For the Pentagon to suffer damage from two ‘airborne attacks’ within a five minute period required the inside job bad guys to disable the security network ‘two times’ and once ‘between’ those two attacks. This fact is the DoD inside job bad guys are running a Disinformation Cover Up campaign to conceal the 911Truth that the Pentagon was attacked at 9:31:39 AM “and” again at 9:37 AM in ‘two’ separate attacks. The “Navy Clock” stopped at 9:31:39 AM is “The Clock that Broke the Lie” ( http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hour ... tember.pdf ) whether you ever wake the hell up or not. Throwing your pathetic stones at Lloyd the taxi driver, Department of the Navy Journalists and my brother does nothing to help your case for anything, except to help our readers define you . . .

GL,

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Oct 10 2007, 11:07 AM #20

Missiles at the Pentagon?

Why did your defence systems not engage your Tomahawk or your A-3?

How safe do you think it is, having AUTOMATIC ani-aircraft missile battery 2 miles away from a civilian airport?

Read through the following peer reviewed investigation of the claim that the Pentagon was defended by missiles -

http://www.jod911.com/There_Are_No_Miss ... ntagon.pdf

Why is it that NO pictures show these phalanx gunfire systems? they are very distinct. They would HAVE to be out in the open in broad daylight to be of any use. Where are they?

Should I even bother to ask you for proof? You never provide anything anyway. And I mean photographic eveidence of a phalanx. These things are big and very noticeable. Can't see a single one anywhere. Even in the thousand pictures you have posted.

Can't see them on google earth at the pentagon. Strange, because if I zoom in at Norfolk Virginia and look at a frigate I can see them on board.
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