SKRODENIS

SKRODENIS

Michelle Hutchison
Michelle Hutchison

October 25th, 2012, 9:10 pm #1

I am trying to find some information on my great granfather.. He was living in Glasgow in 1908 were he married my great gran, his name on the wedding certificate is Alexander Skrodenis, is this likely to be a Lithuanian name. The story I am told is that he left Glasgow to fight in the revolution never to return. My great gran then remarried Yurgis Lukaitis whom I am told was Lithuanian.
I would love to find out more information on both these men, starting with their nationality could someone confirm for me if these are indeed Lithuanian names

thanks

Michelle
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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 25th, 2012, 10:26 pm #2

These names are Lithuanian though the spellings are corrupted by the English Language e.g. Yurgis should be Jurgis. Lukaitis can be spelt as Laukaitis. I am not familiar with Skrodenis but it is Lithuanian in origin.

This article explains what happened in 1917-1920

http://www.historytoday.com/murdoch-rodgers/lithuanians
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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 25th, 2012, 11:04 pm #3

I am trying to find some information on my great granfather.. He was living in Glasgow in 1908 were he married my great gran, his name on the wedding certificate is Alexander Skrodenis, is this likely to be a Lithuanian name. The story I am told is that he left Glasgow to fight in the revolution never to return. My great gran then remarried Yurgis Lukaitis whom I am told was Lithuanian.
I would love to find out more information on both these men, starting with their nationality could someone confirm for me if these are indeed Lithuanian names

thanks

Michelle
Michelle

Do you have access to Scotland's People for births, deaths and marriages ? You can view the certificates online. It looks like some detective work is needed.


1 1908 SKRODENIS ALEXANDER ROONEY CATHERINE HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/15 0253 Image
2 1907 SKRODENIS LEEPOLDES TAMKEICZEITI ALEXANDRA BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0028 Image


Births - assuming that the children of Alexander and Catherine are born in Bridgeton in 1914, 1918 and 1921

1 1910 SKRODENIS ANTANAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0236 Image
2 1912 SKRODENIS CHRISTINA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0287 No Image
3 1913 SKRODENIS FELECIJANA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0311 No Image
4 1914 SKRODENIS GEORGE M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 1304 No Image
5 1918 SKRODENIS JOSEPH M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0920 No Image
6 1914 SKRODENIS JUSTINA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0449 No Image
7 1918 SKRODENIS LEOPOLDAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0356 No Image
8 1909 SKRODENIS MARY F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0360 Image
9 1911 SKRODENIS MICHALYNA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0499
10 1916 SKRODENIS NAPOLIONAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0278 No Image
11 1921 SKRODENIS YONAS M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0603 No Image

Deaths - George died in 1916 and Yonas died in 1921, the interesting ones are Miekalina and Andrew both recorded as Rooney and Lukajtis.

1 1923 SKRODENIS ANDREW ROONEY LUKAJTIS M 5 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0054 Image
2 1911 SKRODENIS ANTANAS M 0 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/15 0103 Image
3 1953 SKRODENIS CATHERINE LUCKAITIS ROONEY F 64 TOWNHEAD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 1084 Image
4 1917 SKRODENIS CHRISTINA F 5 POSSILPARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0551 Image
5 1916 SKRODENIS GEORGE M 1 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0526 Image
6 1915 SKRODENIS JUSTINA F 1 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0219 Image
7 1919 SKRODENIS LEOPOLDAS M 0 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0021 Image
8 1993 SKRODENIS MARY Not Permissible SHARKEY F 84 GLASGOW, MARTHA ST GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 610/00 0303 No Image
9 1916 SKRODENIS MIEKALINA ROONEY LUKAJTIS F 0 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0488 Image
10 1921 SKRODENIS YONAS ROONEY LUKAITIS M 0 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0690 Image

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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 25th, 2012, 11:07 pm #4

These are the birth records for Andrew and Miekalina

1 1917 LUKAJTIS ANDREW M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0463 No Image
2 1915 LUKAJTIS MIEKALINA F BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 1254 No Image

This will be an interesting conundrum.
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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 25th, 2012, 11:10 pm #5

Michelle

Do you have access to Scotland's People for births, deaths and marriages ? You can view the certificates online. It looks like some detective work is needed.


1 1908 SKRODENIS ALEXANDER ROONEY CATHERINE HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/15 0253 Image
2 1907 SKRODENIS LEEPOLDES TAMKEICZEITI ALEXANDRA BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0028 Image


Births - assuming that the children of Alexander and Catherine are born in Bridgeton in 1914, 1918 and 1921

1 1910 SKRODENIS ANTANAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0236 Image
2 1912 SKRODENIS CHRISTINA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0287 No Image
3 1913 SKRODENIS FELECIJANA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0311 No Image
4 1914 SKRODENIS GEORGE M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 1304 No Image
5 1918 SKRODENIS JOSEPH M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0920 No Image
6 1914 SKRODENIS JUSTINA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0449 No Image
7 1918 SKRODENIS LEOPOLDAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0356 No Image
8 1909 SKRODENIS MARY F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0360 Image
9 1911 SKRODENIS MICHALYNA F BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0499
10 1916 SKRODENIS NAPOLIONAS M BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0278 No Image
11 1921 SKRODENIS YONAS M BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0603 No Image

Deaths - George died in 1916 and Yonas died in 1921, the interesting ones are Miekalina and Andrew both recorded as Rooney and Lukajtis.

1 1923 SKRODENIS ANDREW ROONEY LUKAJTIS M 5 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0054 Image
2 1911 SKRODENIS ANTANAS M 0 HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/15 0103 Image
3 1953 SKRODENIS CATHERINE LUCKAITIS ROONEY F 64 TOWNHEAD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 1084 Image
4 1917 SKRODENIS CHRISTINA F 5 POSSILPARK GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0551 Image
5 1916 SKRODENIS GEORGE M 1 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0526 Image
6 1915 SKRODENIS JUSTINA F 1 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0219 Image
7 1919 SKRODENIS LEOPOLDAS M 0 BLANTYRE /LANARK 624/00 0021 Image
8 1993 SKRODENIS MARY Not Permissible SHARKEY F 84 GLASGOW, MARTHA ST GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 610/00 0303 No Image
9 1916 SKRODENIS MIEKALINA ROONEY LUKAJTIS F 0 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0488 Image
10 1921 SKRODENIS YONAS ROONEY LUKAITIS M 0 BRIDGETON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/01 0690 Image
This is th record for the second marriage

1 1934 LUKAITIS YURGIS ROONEY CATHERINE BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1908 Image
2 1934 LUKAITIS YURGIS SKRODINS CATHERINE BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1908 Image
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Michelle Hutchison
Michelle Hutchison

October 26th, 2012, 6:02 pm #6

These names are Lithuanian though the spellings are corrupted by the English Language e.g. Yurgis should be Jurgis. Lukaitis can be spelt as Laukaitis. I am not familiar with Skrodenis but it is Lithuanian in origin.

This article explains what happened in 1917-1920

http://www.historytoday.com/murdoch-rodgers/lithuanians
Thankyou for your help Paul, its just because my dad somehow believed that skrodenis was Estonian.
these things i am hearing now seem to kinda fit with what happened in the past to the "Russians" but there is only one thing bothering me about it and that is that I believe Alexander Skrodenis dissappeared before 1917, is there any chance they where sent away to somewhere before this event in 1917
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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 26th, 2012, 6:24 pm #7

Michelle

Alexander Skrodenis is shown as deceased on some of the children's birth and death certificates.

Catherine Rooney is listed as the wife of Skrodenis even for the children registered for her and Yurgis (Jurgis).

Possible explanations are

1. He had already been conscripted in the British Army and had died.
2. He had died in a mining accident but there is no death certificate.
3. He had gone to America to find work and save money until he could send for his wife and children, and had died of illness or an accident. (Going to America ahead of the family was quite common).
4. He had done a "runner" and his wife claimed he was deceased.

As I wrote last night quite a puzzle with children's births and deaths.

Skrodenis is a Lithuanian name. Also there many Skrodenis in the typical Lithuanian neighbourhoods in the USA.
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Michelle Hutchison
Michelle Hutchison

October 26th, 2012, 7:08 pm #8

Thanks for your help Paul.

This is what I have been told,

Alexander went back to Russia to fight in the revolution never to be heard of again, the story is he was possibly on a boat that was sunk by the russians , I have a copy of these certificates that you have posted and my research shows that Catherine Rooney had four children to Alexander only one of which survived and that was my gran Mary, and four children to Yurgis again only one survived and that was Uncle Joe, My dad was an only child and he knew nothing of all these other children altough he was told about Alexander , he was always of the belief that it was only my gran and uncle joe. To fit in the family shortened their name from Lukaitis to Lang and Yurgis became known as George Lang although it says he was a coalminer in truth he was a cabinetmaker and seemingly a very good one at that. It is also a slight susspicion of my dads that Yurgis may have been Jewish but there is no way for me to find that out. Catherine Rooney had five siblings who all emigrated to Australia and the families lost touch a while after Catherine died.so I have no-one else to ask re history, some of the other skrodenis children where that of Alexanders brother Leepoldes and his wife Alexandra Tamkeiczeiti. I have his incoming passenger record that I got from Ancestry and I have a copy of the 1911 census where I have their mother and step father(I think) and Leepoldes and his wife but not Alexander and Catherine although I believe they also stayed in Blantyre and also from the same census I believe I have Yurgis living with family in Blantyre that have a servant.

On one of my trips to the Scotlands People centre I also found the birth of a child called Yugis lukaitis but I never took down any of the details in it unfortunately
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Paul Lucas
Paul Lucas

October 26th, 2012, 7:19 pm #9

Michelle,

There were no deportations or repatriations to Russia before 1917. If Alexander died before 1917 - one of the certificates shows he was dead in 1916 - I would consider other possible causes.

I have Laukaitis as distant cousins to my family but they arrived in the east of London. They were tradesmen as well. He was Kazimeras Laukaitis.

There is a lady on this board, Mo Millward, who is looking for Laukaitis family as well - Jonas Laukaitis

There are many possible spellings - Laukaitis, Luckaitis, Lukaitis and Lukajtis etc etc.

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Michelle Hutchison
Michelle Hutchison

October 26th, 2012, 7:20 pm #10

This is th record for the second marriage

1 1934 LUKAITIS YURGIS ROONEY CATHERINE BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1908 Image
2 1934 LUKAITIS YURGIS SKRODINS CATHERINE BLYTHSWOOD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1908 Image
This marriage took place when Yurgis was 57 and Catherine was 45 in a registry office in Glasgow. The 1st marriage was in the Catholic Church, from all that I have gathered I have parents names and witness names but thats all I have
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