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June 19th, 2009, 9:08 pm #11

chatham wrote:"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."

OK.....
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.
Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.

...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.

*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....


THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006
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June 19th, 2009, 9:09 pm #12

March 17th Gottlieb e-mail to the TP listserv only mentioned a party, not a stripper party. Why? If it was a stripper party would anyone believe a rape claim? Even the N&O article that day only mentioned a party. Maybe they got the info from someone employed by the N&O in their Durham office who are on the listserv
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June 19th, 2009, 9:16 pm #13

March 20. Durham police subpoena the medical records of magnum. Why the entire medical record? Did they want to know her mental health for her rape claims? (maybe I am misinterpreting this and they only wanted the rape exam report.)

"HIMAN CALLS TAMMY ROSE of angels Escort service, who gives him Pittmans name and TELLS HIM PITTMAN SAID THERE HAD BEEN NO SEXUAL ASSAULT. Who told Kim that there was a sexual assault claim made by crystal? Who told the escort service and said that crystal made that statement?

The chronicle said on the 20th that it was just a party. Not a stripper party. Makes it sound like a nice girl got boinked?
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June 19th, 2009, 9:23 pm #14

ON March 21 the Duke Chronicle published a second article about the party. In that article Gottlieb is quoted as saying " Gottlieb said ANY MAN THAT ATTENDED THE PARTY MARCH 13 WOULD BE A VIABLE SUSPECT but refused to go into further detail."

Does Gottliebs statement sound familiar and something very similar to what NIFONG would say on the 27th NIFONG THREATENS TO ARREST ANY LACROSSE TEAM MEMBERS WHO WERE AT PARTY AS ACCESSORIES TO RAPE.

Supposedly Nifong did not know anything about the case until the 24th, 3 days after the Chronicle article. Chances of Gottleib and nifong saying the same thing about this case? ZeRO
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June 19th, 2009, 9:33 pm #15

"Gottlieb described the party as a mix of college students and non-students. "

Hmmm, did he assume Kim & CGM = non-students?

"Gottlieb said any man that attended the party March 13 would be a viable suspect but refused to go into further detail."

scare tactics from the very start


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June 19th, 2009, 9:52 pm #16

Baldo wrote:
chatham wrote:"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."

OK.....
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.
Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.

...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.

*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....


THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006
"Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary."

This language is "extraordinary" to me. Is a crime against someone of one skin hue a red alert and against another" it's just one of those "unfortunate cases of students being in the wrong place at the wrong time." (or whatever Moneta said about the Black Frat rape?

Does Brodhead have a special phone by his bed just for those 3AM phone calls whenever the alleged"victim" is Black?
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June 19th, 2009, 10:25 pm #17

Joan Foster wrote:
Baldo wrote:
chatham wrote:"Robert Dean, head of Duke Police, reviews Day's report at 7:30 a.m. and then informs Duke officials, INCLUDING Dean of Students."

OK.....
On the first day after the party many Duke officials knew about the accusation of a rape on their property. If Robert dean did not know it involved Duke students, then why inform Duke officials? Soon after this revelation, "Durham PD Sgt. Mark Gottlieb learnsof the case and seeks to take it over from B. Jones." Everyone knew it was a Duke party on Tuesday March 14th.
Yes, sort of shoots the idea Duke's Senior Administration didn't know about it.

...the official report of the Duke Police Department was submitted and reviewed by the Duke Police Director, Robert Dean, at 7:30 a.m. on March 14. This report indicated clearly that the individual making the allegations was a black woman—though information about her race and about the racial aspects of the case did not reach key administrators (including President Brodhead) until March 24. The substance of the report, including the fact that the students involved were lacrosse players but not the fact that the presumed victim was black, was communicated by Mr. Dean by phone to the Assistant Vice President of Student Affairs and Dean of Students, Sue Wasiolek, on the morning of March 14. Dean Wasiolek immediately contacted the lacrosse coach, the Director of Athletics, and others in the athletics department, who in turn contacted members of the lacrosse team. Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary.

*The initial Wasiolek/Moneta round of communications reached the Executive Vice President (EVP), Tallman Trask, but not members of the academic side of the Duke administration or the President until much later. The Public Affairs office was not briefed until Friday, March 17 (after having first learned of the incident that day by monitoring a community listserv)....


THE DUKE ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE TO LACROSSE ALLEGATIONS
William G. Bowen and Julius L. Chambers
May 4, 2006
"Dean Wasiolek also contacted her supervisor, Vice President for Student Affairs Larry Moneta, but neither Wasiolek nor Moneta was aware of the racial aspects of the situation until March 24—a gap in communications that is extraordinary."

This language is "extraordinary" to me. Is a crime against someone of one skin hue a red alert and against another" it's just one of those "unfortunate cases of students being in the wrong place at the wrong time." (or whatever Moneta said about the Black Frat rape?

Does Brodhead have a special phone by his bed just for those 3AM phone calls whenever the alleged "victim" is Black?
Yes, the bat-cave phone :)

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Baldo's 7/20/2014 all-encompassing summary statement about the Duke Lacrosse case:
"He (Gottlieb) was a dirty cop in a dirty department run by corrupt Politicians with incompetent judges and a dirty DA's Office under the control of a dirty dirty dirty DA Nifong who used for the most part, not all, a bunch of cowardly reporters & a DUMC which failed to correct a runaway nurse & others."
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June 20th, 2009, 12:30 am #18

Joan Foster wrote:Does Brodhead have a special phone by his bed just for those 3AM phone calls whenever the alleged"victim" is Black?
It's a direct line to the John Hope Franklin Center and the core "88."'

Everytime it rings he apologizes.
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June 20th, 2009, 12:40 am #19

When crystal was taken to the Durham Access Center, it has been claimed that a nurse asked crystal directly if she had been raped. Does anyone know the name of that nurse? Could she be a friend of crystals? Did she know Cy? Why would this nurse directly violate the Durham access policy?
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June 20th, 2009, 2:05 am #20

chatham wrote:When crystal was taken to the Durham Access Center, it has been claimed that a nurse asked crystal directly if she had been raped. Does anyone know the name of that nurse? Could she be a friend of crystals? Did she know Cy? Why would this nurse directly violate the Durham access policy?
http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/04/ ... eline.html

The accuser interacted with at least three Durham Access Center staff members: Alycia Wright, Meriecia Smith, and Gerri Lomuriel Wilkes. In response to a question from one of those staff members, accuser initially alleged that she was raped. DPD event logs indicate that accuser was at the Durham Access Center for 40 minutes. Ms. Wilkes told Kirk Osborn that she took handwritten notes of her observations.
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