Lafayette’s Last Stand

Joined: September 29th, 2011, 1:25 am

April 30th, 2018, 11:59 am #1

It’s not hyperbole to say that this is Lafayette’s last stand, a final chance for a program that has been dreadful, uncompetitive and boring for years.

That’s no secret. It is not pleasant to say but it is obvious. No state secrets are being revealed on this board.

As a wise alumnus said, “The problem isn’t here.”

Tough and unpopular decisions must be made to save what is important.

If Ms. Freeman provides a path to success, she deserves our support.

Keeping O’Hanlon for another year is a bad sign. This may have been out of her hands, but it’s a bad sign.

We need a bold step, painful changes and some hope.

Otherwise the sports program is dead. It almost is now but without radical change it will be not be merely nearly dead, but really most sincerely dead.
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Joined: February 24th, 2007, 4:11 am

April 30th, 2018, 2:29 pm #2

As a relative outsider I'm undoubtedly not as well informed as some. That said, I've not been this positive about Pard football and both basketball programs in years. I'm not alone in pointing to the poor recruitment in men's basketball since the Trist class. Seems that has been addressed with Fenerty et al. We have last year's rookie of the year and a nice class around him. This year's class seems excellent (who knows?). There's no one I'd rather have coaching these guys than Fran. Love this European trip. Will the incoming guys be going? Have fun guys!

I'm 100% behind the reinvigorated football program under Coach JG.

Ms. Freeman is a breath of fresh air after the last guy.

Men's lax and baseball have been disgraceful, baseball particularly galls me. I just can't blame coaches if in fact they're underfunded. Can't be optimistic when Lafalum tells us the athletic's budget has actually been reduced. The College has to step up. If they openly ID'd success in these programs as a goal, increased the College's existing funding and then made an appeal for donations, would there be a strong response? Try it.

When a college chooses leaders like ARot and Weiss, why would anyone expect athletic success? We reap what we sow. Decades of apathy if not outright opposition to athletics is not easily overcome. Seems leadership is allowing Ms. Freeman to try.
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Joined: February 25th, 2007, 4:32 am

April 30th, 2018, 4:28 pm #3

Andy wrote:  Love this European trip.  Will the incoming guys be going?  Have fun guys!


Incoming freshmen can't participate unless they have completed a full session of summer school first.    That obviously is not the case here, so they won't be going.
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April 30th, 2018, 4:42 pm #4

Thanks. Of course the NCAA knows what's best for the kids.....

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Joined: January 23rd, 2011, 6:22 pm

May 1st, 2018, 3:16 pm #5

Let's hear it for the NCAA.  NOT!
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Joined: February 25th, 2007, 4:32 am

May 1st, 2018, 3:29 pm #6

edmc2416 wrote: Let's hear it for the NCAA.  NOT!
That rule, like all NCAA rules, was voted on and approved by the member schools.    
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Joined: January 23rd, 2011, 6:22 pm

May 1st, 2018, 3:35 pm #7

While I always like to hear from Bison because generally he knows what is going on, it would have  been helpful if he had indicated why this rule was approved by the member schools.
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Joined: February 24th, 2007, 3:11 am

May 1st, 2018, 4:51 pm #8

bethlehempard wrote: It’s not hyperbole to say that this is Lafayette’s last stand, a final chance for a program that has been dreadful, uncompetitive and boring for years.
It's the very definition of hyperbole. 
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May 1st, 2018, 6:05 pm #9

edmc2416 wrote: While I always like to hear from Bison because generally he knows what is going on, it would have  been helpful if he had indicated why this rule was approved by the member schools.
I don't know, since I wasn't at the meeting.   But I do know it was a liberalization of the previous policy where players were not eligible for a summer tour until they had matriculated at least a full semester at the school.   My guess is that most schools don't think it's right for a prospective student to go on a European tour before they have even seen the inside of a classroom at their school.
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Joined: August 28th, 2017, 8:28 pm

May 2nd, 2018, 5:59 pm #10

Is anyone else tired of the headlines for all academic PL recognition ( 3.2 average which is the average grade at Lafayette) in the absence of winning records? I'm sorry honors for average grades with below average athletic performance does nothing for me to want to open my wallet in a larger way.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2011, 6:22 pm

May 2nd, 2018, 6:02 pm #11

lafalum1 wrote:Is anyone else tired of the headlines for all academic PL recognition ( 3.2 average which is the average grade at Lafayette) in the absence of winning records? I'm sorry honors for average grades with below average athletic performance does nothing for wanting to open by wallet in a larger way.

Amen lafalum!


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May 2nd, 2018, 9:21 pm #12

lafalum1 wrote: Is anyone else tired of the headlines for all academic PL recognition ( 3.2 average which is the average grade at Lafayette) in the absence of winning records? I'm sorry honors for average grades with below average athletic performance does nothing for me to want to open my wallet in a larger way.
Really?  I've got to disagree with you on this one.  Whatever standards the PL sets, student-athletes deserve recognition for achieving the honor.

What if there are three recipients on a team, two with 3.2s and one with a 4.0?  Do you only acknowledge that one of the three received the honor?
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May 3rd, 2018, 1:50 am #13

Look, I am happy for those that can succeed in the classroom. I guess the standard is too low. 3.2 is the average grade at Lafayette. So you get average grades and have less than mediocre success on the field and we celebrate that. It's sort of like a participation trophy to me. We need to shoot higher than that. 
By the way, I salute anyone who goes out there trains, and does well in the classroom. All things being equal I hire the athlete every 
time. The athletic program NEEDS to shoot higher, that's all I am saying.
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Joined: October 19th, 2016, 12:54 pm

May 3rd, 2018, 2:21 pm #14

This is really an issue of grade inflation, and I agree with Lafalum1 that that standard is too low.  The minimum GPA to make the Dean's List at Lafayette is 3.6 out of 4.0. Now if an athlete achieved that status, then I would agree that some recognition would be in order.  The standard in question is a PL policy, so I guess, because each school might have a different standard, 3.2 was voted in as a compromise.
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Joined: February 24th, 2007, 11:34 pm

May 3rd, 2018, 5:18 pm #15

It was a compromise so as not to exclude any school particularly new members.
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May 3rd, 2018, 6:52 pm #16

Spardicus80 wrote: This is really an issue of grade inflation, and I agree with Lafalum1 that that standard is too low.  The minimum GPA to make the Dean's List at Lafayette is 3.6 out of 4.0. Now if an athlete achieved that status, then I would agree that some recognition would be in order.  The standard in question is a PL policy, so I guess, because each school might have a different standard, 3.2 was voted in as a compromise.

Yes, grade inflation has definitely affected this.   The 3.20 GPA standard has been in effect for at least 18 years - and I think it may go all the way back to the league's inception.   It is definitely affected by different schools having different standards.   Army and Navy have had less grade inflation.
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Joined: October 13th, 2008, 12:38 pm

May 28th, 2018, 4:41 pm #17

Can anyone confirm that Ahart is leaving as chairman of BoT this summer and VC Sell will be his replacement? Is that a good more for the athletics program? I haven't seen any mention of this.
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Joined: January 23rd, 2011, 6:22 pm

May 28th, 2018, 4:43 pm #18

SIDELINER wrote:Can anyone confirm that Ahart is leaving as chairman of BoT this summer and VC Sell will be his replacement? Is that a good more for the athletics program? I haven't seen any mention of this.
All true. Sell will be a big improvement.
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May 28th, 2018, 7:00 pm #19

Agree with edmc2416....big improvement!!! Expect other changes in the lineup...stay tuned!!!
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Joined: September 29th, 2011, 1:25 am

June 16th, 2018, 1:27 am #20

The study was announced 591 days ago. Since then, Lafayette has lost 300 or so competitions.
Two delays of the study were announced.
While I do not expect the whole thing to be made public, why not at least post a summary, which would be consistent with the previous announcements. Plus it will be hard to pull off an alumni shakedown without some kind of diversionary tactic and happy talk.
Since AD Freeman took over, one new coach has been chosen. He looks like a good pick, but he will take over a perennial losing program at a time when lacrosse is gettting more attention from the BCS powers. Investing now may be pointless.  
The team has had six winning seasons in 90-plus years. That’s the tradition: losing.
I attended the last league win. There were generously 200 people there and at least half of them were from Navy.
So, nothing has happened. The promising programs are football and women’s basketball, with new coaches brought in by Bruce.
Maybe something big and dramatic will happen soon. It has to: what is the alternative?
Otherwise, Lafayette will send 23 teams out next year and 18 to 20 will be D3 quality. Not one squad looks like a good bet for a winning season.

... And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout, But there is no joy in Pardville—the Mighty Leopards have struck out.

AD Freeman and President Byerly: Give us something to believe in! Some crumb of hope, some glow at the end of the tunnel,

The diehards are growing older and the youngsters aren’t taking their place.

Give us a sign. Make a tough choice and we will support you. Muddle along and we will slip away.

And now, a word from Sting:

But all the promises we make
From the cradle to the grave
When all I need is you

Yes, we need you to bring clarity. What’s going on can’t continue. Things collapse for which the center does not hold, and I don’t mean the offensive line. Not just the line, anyway.

Be bold. Be tough. Break hearts.
It must be done.

Provide
“Eyes in the moon of blindness
A river in a time of dryness
A harbour in the tempest”

The situation cries out for more than a generic five-year plan.
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