Red Deer's 3rd period

Timmy71
Timmy71

March 5th, 2018, 2:44 am #1

Can anyone explain to me what happened in the final frame? I was there, but I am not sure what happened. I guess we should not be surprised because Red Deer plays the same way all the time. They seem to sit on a 1-0 or 2-0 lead all the time. Considering who coaches them, and the fact that he is all about defence first, with no coaching when it comes to going on the offense for his team, Everyone in the Dome knew Sutter was calling a timeout after Kastelic tied it at 2 apiece. Personally, it is my favorite moment of any RD/Cgy game when Sutter's head turns red on the bench. Maybe some of the hitmen's veteran players thought after the 2nd that they had Red Deer right where they wanted them, who knows? I would love to hear some of Sutter's post game comments or even better, be on that bus with him going back up the #2 highway. In a lost season that it has been, always great beating Sutter's Rebels.
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Hit fan of 18
Hit fan of 18

March 5th, 2018, 4:18 pm #2

I agree with you about Sutter. Years ago the Rebels always stopped in Airdrie after games for a post game meal. But, after yesterday's beat down I imagine he made them walk home to Dead Rear. He may have been a good coach 20 yrs ago, but the game has long since passed him by. The highlight of the season when the Hitmen beat Sutter and embarass him.
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Dryden29
Dryden29

March 5th, 2018, 6:16 pm #3

Can anyone explain to me what happened in the final frame? I was there, but I am not sure what happened. I guess we should not be surprised because Red Deer plays the same way all the time. They seem to sit on a 1-0 or 2-0 lead all the time. Considering who coaches them, and the fact that he is all about defence first, with no coaching when it comes to going on the offense for his team, Everyone in the Dome knew Sutter was calling a timeout after Kastelic tied it at 2 apiece. Personally, it is my favorite moment of any RD/Cgy game when Sutter's head turns red on the bench. Maybe some of the hitmen's veteran players thought after the 2nd that they had Red Deer right where they wanted them, who knows? I would love to hear some of Sutter's post game comments or even better, be on that bus with him going back up the #2 highway. In a lost season that it has been, always great beating Sutter's Rebels.
What happened yesterday was two tired teams going at it - the Hitmen playing their 7th game in 10 days, and both playing their 3rd in 3 nights, and it showed. The Hitmen in the 1st and 2nd periods were dreadful, looking physically and emotionally spent, whereas the Rebs, particularly McCarty, Johnson and a couple of others, were dialed in.

Then Hagel takes that unnecessary penalty again Kryski in our zone, we score and everything changes (and I noticed Sutter speaking to Hagel on the bench after the goal, though I think Hagel, the way he plays, is one of his favourites). We get a quick 2nd goal, a couple of soft ones courtesy Anders, and it's over, the Rebs too tired to respond.

Couldn't see Sutter making 'em walk home, esp. Hagel and Anders. That's the stuff of the WHL (and other leagues) of 40 years ago.

Never liked this 3 in 3 business.

And even though the Rebs have knocked the Hitmen out at least a-half-dozen times over the years, I have nothing against Sutter or any of their family - I actually think it's great to see a group of Alberta farm-boys have an major impact in the hockey world. I notice Shaun Sutter is the Reb Asst GM - pretty sure he spent a season (or two) with the Hitmen many harvests ago. And Sutter being a dinosaur coach wasn't what I was thinking at that game at the Corral a couple of years ago, when they were efficiently dispatching us from Round 1 of the playoffs in 5 games.

The only team I have a bit of a issue with is the Kelowna Rockets - I think that goes back to the 2009 final, and the way that team carries themselves. Oh, and of course, there's the demon team of them all - the Ottawa 67s.

It actually wasn't too bad a weekend - 4 out of 6 points, and if Coleman scores on his penalty shot on Friday and Nielsen on that 2 on 1 in OT on Saturday, it's 6/6.

I was watching with a bit of a eye to next season - I liked the way we played against the Pat. I also noticed Zamula got a load of ice time, whereas Toder not so much and Viggars semi-zip. And Huber scored a couple and Armitage the win of the weekend. And what about Coleman and Kryski? And who will be the leaders (Kastelic, Schmiemann ?)
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dubguy376
dubguy376

March 5th, 2018, 6:21 pm #4

Can anyone explain to me what happened in the final frame? I was there, but I am not sure what happened. I guess we should not be surprised because Red Deer plays the same way all the time. They seem to sit on a 1-0 or 2-0 lead all the time. Considering who coaches them, and the fact that he is all about defence first, with no coaching when it comes to going on the offense for his team, Everyone in the Dome knew Sutter was calling a timeout after Kastelic tied it at 2 apiece. Personally, it is my favorite moment of any RD/Cgy game when Sutter's head turns red on the bench. Maybe some of the hitmen's veteran players thought after the 2nd that they had Red Deer right where they wanted them, who knows? I would love to hear some of Sutter's post game comments or even better, be on that bus with him going back up the #2 highway. In a lost season that it has been, always great beating Sutter's Rebels.
First time poster, long time fan! Looked like a a game where RD was in complete control then took that penalty and it all went sideways for them. They appear as young or younger than us so if things start to go bad it can unravel, we have seem that haha!! Wouldn't say they "sat on the lead", was more like they hit adversity and the hitmen pounced. I watch a lot of teams come through the Dome, and i'd say your opinion on Sutter/Red Deer is more emotion based than fact. They are a rival so it's natural for us to not like them! From what i've seen from Red Deer they play responsible, but hardly "boring". As aggressive a forecheck as any team, and they sure seemed to get the puck up the ice quick through the first 2 periods. Was at the game last week in Red Deer and they peppered the Hitmen with the lead, and if it wasn't for Schneider it would have been atleast 6-2. Their fans were saying going into that game they had been on some kind of crazy run winning 13 of 18 games or something, that is pretty impressive for a young team this time of year. Not "coming to the defense" of RD here dont get me wrong haha, but i've never really understood the criticism, to me it's just playing the "right way", aggressive and responsible. Seems there are always players coming out of there heading to the big league, so must be doing something right.
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Alan
Alan

March 5th, 2018, 7:51 pm #5

Can anyone explain to me what happened in the final frame? I was there, but I am not sure what happened. I guess we should not be surprised because Red Deer plays the same way all the time. They seem to sit on a 1-0 or 2-0 lead all the time. Considering who coaches them, and the fact that he is all about defence first, with no coaching when it comes to going on the offense for his team, Everyone in the Dome knew Sutter was calling a timeout after Kastelic tied it at 2 apiece. Personally, it is my favorite moment of any RD/Cgy game when Sutter's head turns red on the bench. Maybe some of the hitmen's veteran players thought after the 2nd that they had Red Deer right where they wanted them, who knows? I would love to hear some of Sutter's post game comments or even better, be on that bus with him going back up the #2 highway. In a lost season that it has been, always great beating Sutter's Rebels.
Myself, the only issues I have (and have ever had) with Brent Sutter revolve around his conduct on the bench and the style of hockey his teams play. I've never thought he was abusive to his players or anything remotely like that.

He demands accountability from his players and demands an honest effort from them every night. There is nothing wrong with that and every junior coach should be like that. If these kids want to play pro, that's how it is in the pros - you own your mistakes and work hard every night or somebody else will play instead of you. Heck, that's how it is in LIFE in general. Expecting that from kids at this level - where the fans pay to watch them - is fair.

What I don't like are his frequent tirades at the referees in what I believe is an attempt to intimidate what are usually young refs at this level. Every coach is going to disagree with calls now and then but I think he goes overboard and always gets away with it - how many times has he been ejected from a game for his red-faced tantrums? Not nearly enough, probably because he intimidates the refs. It's a developmental league for refs too...say your piece when you disagree with a call, and then shut up.

And his team, at least on the road, plays a super conservative, boring style. Always have. That used to be the norm everywhere but the game nowadays is generally a higher-tempo, possession game and Sutter and the Rebels are boring to watch in comparison.
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dubguy376
dubguy376

March 5th, 2018, 8:18 pm #6

Thats a fair assessment. Albeit Mike Williamson was the worst i've ever seen for yelling at refs, he never stopped!

I guess I dont agree with the playing style thing. I've watched them 6-7 times a year, home and away, for the last 5 years or so and would never accuse it of being boring, or that is changes at home or on the road. It isnt Portland run-and-gun, but i'm not sure I would have categorized their first 2 periods as hard to watch, they were all over us in the first period.
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Brandon
Brandon

March 6th, 2018, 3:26 pm #7

I tend to agree with this assessment. He gets pigeonholed because he has had success in years when his talent wasn't as strong by shutting down other teams. Defensive responsibility is usually a thing but I don't find their game boring at all. They were the significantly better team for 2 periods. I appreciate that his team still plays a physical game and finishes their checks. The game needs more of that, and that is much more entertaining. I know they can be a little chippy as well but the Hitmen are a chippy team too, and we see a lot of no-hitters from them.

On the point of him being hard on his players, I think we see one part of it. People see him give them crap at a timeout and point out Hagel taking a stupid penalty and think he is a jerk. But you don't hear that from the guys who played for him. The guys who play there have a lot of respect for him for the most part. Probably because they all know he actually takes an interest in them and cares about them. He pushes them hard for their success. Certainly he has helped a lot of guys realize a dream that would likely not have happened without his guidance.

Sutter is an easy target because he has recognizable name value and has had a ton of success in this league. We have seen him come in and beat the hitmen in big games more than enough in our time. But I think most of the thoughts on his game style are myths.
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