Should Ian Blair Resign over de Menezes?

In the aftermath of the murder, a cascade of misinformation and lies from the very top down. From Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair to the trigger-happy plain-clothes shooters identified only as "carrying a long-barrelled weapon", the actions that day have been exposed as a cover-up of the events that resulted in the extra-judicial execution of an innocent man.

Should Ian Blair Resign over de Menezes?

Yes.
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No.
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Not until the full circumstances of the murder are known.
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Should Ian Blair Resign over de Menezes?

The Antagonist
Joined: 25 Nov 2005, 11:41

06 Feb 2006, 16:47 #1

There are calls for Ian Blair to resign in connection with the increasingly suspicious circumstances surrounding the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes, yet he still remains as Metropolitan Police Commissioner, has just celebrated a year in the job and shows no signs of being any closer to resigning. While it is easy to understand the calls for his resignation, most notably from the Justice4Jean campaign (about whom we know how much?), but should he resign before the full cirumstances of the murder are known and those who need to be held accountable are held to account?
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numeral
Joined: 04 Dec 2005, 17:55

18 Jan 2007, 07:03 #2

Met chiefs warned over De Menezes investigation

Vikram Dodd
Thursday January 18, 2007
The Guardian

Britain's top police officer, Sir Ian Blair, and his leading anti-terrorism officer will receive formal letters this week warning that the official report into the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes will criticise them or challenge their account of the aftermath of his death.

The Guardian has learned that Sir Ian, the Metropolitan police commissioner, and Andy Hayman, assistant commissioner specialist operations, head a list of more than 20 Metropolitan police officers and civilian staff who will get the so-called Salmon letters from the Independent Police Complaints Commission. More people than expected are to receive one.

The IPCC has been investigating whether Sir Ian and his force told the truth about the shooting dead of Mr De Menezes, a Brazilian, after he was mistaken by police for a suicide bomber on July 22 2005. His family had alleged Sir Ian and others in his force had told untruths about why Mr De Menezes was shot at Stockwell tube station, south London.

Salmon letters, named after Lord Salmon who held an inquiry into public ethics in the 1970s, are designed to give people potentially facing direct criticism from an official inquiry a chance to reply before a report is published. But the IPCC has also decided to send warning letters to people against whom it makes no direct finding of fault. In an unusual move it has decided to send warning letters to those who face allegations of wrongdoing from other witnesses in the inquiry or those whose account is contradicted by someone else's testimony.

Sir Ian has publicly said he expects the report to vindicate him and find no evidence that he was lying when he claimed he was unaware for 24 hours that his force had shot the wrong man. Mr Hayman is understood to have been investigated over alleged differences in statements he made to journalists about how confident he was that a terrorist had been shot and those made to a crisis meeting of the Met's top officers on the day of the shooting.

The Guardian also understands warning letters will go to Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick, who gave evidence contradicting Sir Ian's account. Mr Paddick told the IPCC that members of staff in the commissioner's own office feared on July 22 that an innocent man had been shot. Letters will also go to at least one Met employee in the commissioner's office on the day of the killing, Moir Stewart, then Sir Ian's staff officer.

The IPCC report, known as Stockwell 2, has been repeatedly delayed and the issuing of so many warning letters means the report will not be published until March at the earliest, according to sources.
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justthefacts
Joined: 05 Jul 2007, 02:18

20 Nov 2008, 01:35 #3

Ian Blair dimbleby lecture
MPs were very concerned to avoid a "continental", military model of policing, giving too much power to the government.

That was exactly the model which they readily exported to their colonies, including Ireland, but for Great Britain, legislators were concerned to produce something different.
...the Met deploys officers every day in Barking and in Kensington, tasked specifically to prevent truancy and graffiti, but also usually has officers on the ground in Baghdad and Kabul.
Until now, the police have discussed the strategy and tactics for using lethal force behind closed doors, open only to police authority members, Home Office officials, ministers and some specialist advisors.

That has to change. An open debate is now required, not just about how the police deal with suicide bombers, but about how, in a liberal democracy, a largely unarmed service uses lethal force in any and all circumstances.
We do not want one kind of police force being nice to people and another one arriving in darkened vans wearing the balaclavas.

Whoever is responsible for the one has to be responsible for the other.
Peroxide is the basis of the bombs.
In the interests of open debate, will Ian Blair be explaining why the armed London bobbies he's responsible for are deployed in Baghdad, Kabul, and Brazil?
But Duncan, what men believe isn't important - it's our actions which make us right or wrong. - Alasdair Gray - Lanark
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