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Request to the MOD

numeral
Joined: 04 Dec 2005, 17:55

20 Mar 2007, 23:16 #1

Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I request information held by the Ministry of Defence of research carried out by the Defence Science Technology Laboratory looking at the composition of home-made hydrogen peroxide bombs used by Islamic terrorists.

This request should be understood to apply to any research carried out by DSTL involving the use of hydrogen peroxide in explosives, including organic peroxide compounds as well as explosive mixtures containing hydrogen peroxide.

Background: The Observer carried the following story on 18/3/07:

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Case dropped over defence scientist's death

Manslaughter charge against government bomb expert is scrapped as new evidence comes to light

Antony Barnett
Sunday March 18, 2007
The Observer

Manslaughter and gross negligence charges against a senior government explosives expert accused of killing another scientist have been dropped after the Crown Prosecution Service said that new evidence meant the trial could not proceed.

In August 2002 government chemist Terry Jupp died after a joint British and US weapons experiment went wrong. It is understood he was involved in research looking at the composition of home-made fertiliser bombs used by Islamic terrorists. Jupp had mixed a 10kg charge using three types of ingredients when it ignited and between 60 and 90 per cent of his body was burnt.

The injured scientist was airlifted to hospital, but he died six days later from septicaemia.

A lengthy investigation by the Ministry of Defence Police and the Health and Safety Executive led to criminal charges being brought against Dr Maurice Marshall, one of the world's leading explosives experts, who works at the government's Defence Science Technology Laboratory (DSTL).

The DSTL is part of the Ministry of Defence and was previously called the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency, the body that employed Dr David Kelly, who killed himself after being named as the source in the BBC's story alleging that the government had 'sexed up' its Iraq weapons dossier.

Earlier this month the criminal case against Marshall was dropped after a 'high-level review' that involved the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith. Marshall has always maintained his innocence.

Gareth Patterson, who was leading the prosecution, said: 'Things have recently changed. Further information has recently come into the possession of the Crown Prosecution Service. The difficulties of the sensitivities of this case are such that I cannot go into too much detail about the information in open court.'

Sources believe that both the United States and British military authorities were concerned that, should the criminal case continue, highly sensitive information could have been released on the nature of the experiments being conducted.

A CPS spokeswoman confirmed that Goldsmith was involved in the decision not to continue with the case. But she added: 'The decision was taken by CPS lawyers based on new evidence that came to light. The decision not to continue the case was not down to a public interest argument.'

The tragic experiment took place at the Newlands Battery in Shoeburyness, Essex, which is now run by the private contractor Qinetiq. It is understood that a number of government scientists are unhappy about how they are being treated by the DSTL over a series of dangerous incidents, but they re unable to speak out because they are governed by the Official Secrets Act. Some of them believe that the systems in operation across DSTL facilities are dangerously outdated.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: 'We respect the court's decision. We care about all of our members of staff and we are doing everything we can to prevent such an accident happening again. Terrence Jupp was a valued member of staff and we are very sorry to the family for their loss. DSTL takes health and safety very seriously.'

A spokesman for the Health and Safety Executive confirmed that, now the criminal case had collapsed, it was considering taking action against the DSTL for allegedly breaching the health and safety laws.

antony.barnett@observer.co.uk
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numeral
Joined: 04 Dec 2005, 17:55

17 Aug 2007, 16:39 #2

numeral @ Mar 20 2007, 11:16 PM wrote:
Under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 I request information held by the Ministry of Defence of research carried out by the Defence Science Technology Laboratory looking at the composition of home-made hydrogen peroxide bombs used by Islamic terrorists.

This request should be understood to apply to any research carried out by DSTL involving the use of hydrogen peroxide in explosives, including organic peroxide compounds as well as explosive mixtures containing hydrogen peroxide.

Background: The Observer carried the following story on 18/3/07:

QUOTE
Case dropped over defence scientist's death

Manslaughter charge against government bomb expert is scrapped as new evidence comes to light

Antony Barnett
Sunday March 18, 2007
The Observer

Manslaughter and gross negligence charges against a senior government explosives expert accused of killing another scientist have been dropped after the Crown Prosecution Service said that new evidence meant the trial could not proceed.

In August 2002 government chemist Terry Jupp died after a joint British and US weapons experiment went wrong. It is understood he was involved in research looking at the composition of home-made fertiliser bombs used by Islamic terrorists. Jupp had mixed a 10kg charge using three types of ingredients when it ignited and between 60 and 90 per cent of his body was burnt.

The injured scientist was airlifted to hospital, but he died six days later from septicaemia.

A lengthy investigation by the Ministry of Defence Police and the Health and Safety Executive led to criminal charges being brought against Dr Maurice Marshall, one of the world's leading explosives experts, who works at the government's Defence Science Technology Laboratory (DSTL).

The DSTL is part of the Ministry of Defence and was previously called the Defence Evaluation and Research Agency, the body that employed Dr David Kelly, who killed himself after being named as the source in the BBC's story alleging that the government had 'sexed up' its Iraq weapons dossier.

Earlier this month the criminal case against Marshall was dropped after a 'high-level review' that involved the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith. Marshall has always maintained his innocence.

Gareth Patterson, who was leading the prosecution, said: 'Things have recently changed. Further information has recently come into the possession of the Crown Prosecution Service. The difficulties of the sensitivities of this case are such that I cannot go into too much detail about the information in open court.'

Sources believe that both the United States and British military authorities were concerned that, should the criminal case continue, highly sensitive information could have been released on the nature of the experiments being conducted.

A CPS spokeswoman confirmed that Goldsmith was involved in the decision not to continue with the case. But she added: 'The decision was taken by CPS lawyers based on new evidence that came to light. The decision not to continue the case was not down to a public interest argument.'

The tragic experiment took place at the Newlands Battery in Shoeburyness, Essex, which is now run by the private contractor Qinetiq. It is understood that a number of government scientists are unhappy about how they are being treated by the DSTL over a series of dangerous incidents, but they re unable to speak out because they are governed by the Official Secrets Act. Some of them believe that the systems in operation across DSTL facilities are dangerously outdated.

A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: 'We respect the court's decision. We care about all of our members of staff and we are doing everything we can to prevent such an accident happening again. Terrence Jupp was a valued member of staff and we are very sorry to the family for their loss. DSTL takes health and safety very seriously.'

A spokesman for the Health and Safety Executive confirmed that, now the criminal case had collapsed, it was considering taking action against the DSTL for allegedly breaching the health and safety laws.

antony.barnett@observer.co.uk
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DSTL
Corporate Secretariat
Porton Down
Wilts
SP4 0JQ

15 August 2007

Our ref: Dstl/CS/FOI-305/07 (AIT 09-07-2007-153457-016)

Dear XXXXXXXXXXXXX

Thank you for your email dated 10 August 2007 which has been considered to be a request for information in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

In this request you asked for information held by the Ministry of Defence of research carried out by the Defence Science Technology Laboratory looking at the composition of home-made hydrogen peroxide use bi Islamic terrorists.

This request should be understood to apply to any research carried out by DSTLK [sic] involving the use of hydrogen peroxide in explosives, including organic peroxide compounds as well as explosive mixtures containing hydrogen peroxide.

For your information, over the last twelve years [since] 1995 Dstl has undertaken a great deal of research concerning the composition of home-made peroxide bombs.  This work has addressed mainly triacetone  (TATP), hexamethylene triperoxide diamine (HMTD) and mixtures containing liquid hydrogen peroxide.  Some of the aspects covered include chemical and physical characteristics, methods of preparation, explosive hazards, explosive characteristics and performance, chemical analysis for forensic identification, detection of peroxide explosives traces and vapours.

As I am sure you will appreciate that the totality of the information that has been collated over this period of time is vast.  The review of this information in order to respond to your wide ranging request will, exceed the appropriate limit of £600 (or 24 hours of work assessed at £25.00 per hour - a standard rate).  There, in accordance with Section 12 of FOIA, we are not obliged to disclose the information requested.

However, in accordance with Section 16 of the act MOD have a duty to provide you with advice and assistance.  Thus we would suggest that you reduce and/or refine your request to a particular aspect of the research listed above and/or a particular time point, eg:- year.  We will then be more than happy to re-examine your request and will hopefully be able to provide you with the required information.  Please forward any revised requests to the address above or alternatively email then to dstlfoi@dstl.gov.uk

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cmain
Joined: 19 Jan 2006, 21:24

07 Jul 2009, 09:42 #3

FOI to Forensics Explosives Laboratory:
On 22nd May 2007 a Freedom of Information request was submitted to the Home Office for the final reports of the Forensics Explosives Laboratory into the explosions in London on July 7th 2005.

A reply was received from the Home Office on 28th June 2007, reference T16655/7. This stated that the forensic reports could not be released because of the trial of those alleged to have conspired with those alleged to be responsible for the explosions. The Home Office did, however, give the following assurance in that reply:

"This information will be put into the public domain following the upcoming trial of 3 defendants charged as a result of the continuing police investigation into 7/7 ... "

At the conclusion of the re-trial, when it became clear that there would be no further re-trial, the request for the forensic reports was re-submitted to the Home Office.

The Home Office replied (reference FOI 10250/T19006/8) stating that it did not have the reports, and suggested that instead the request should be submitted directly to the Forensics Explosives Laboratory.

In fulfilment of the government's commitment to place this information into the public domain, I therefore request the final forensics reports into:

the explosion on the Circle line train between Liverpool Street and Aldgate on 7th July 2005
the explosion on the Circle line train between Edgware Road and Paddington on 7th July 2005
the explosion on the Piccadilly line train between King's Cross and Russell Square on 7th July 2005
the explosion on the number 30 bus in Tavistock Square on 7th July 2005
the contents of the Nissan Micra found in Luton train station car park on 12th July 2005
the contents of the Fiat Brava traced to Jermaine Lindsay which was removed from Luton train station car park some time between 7th July 2005 and 12th July 2005
the contents of the flat at 18 Alexandra Grove, Burley, Leeds
the contents of the bedsit at 111 Chapeltown Road, Leeds
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Bridget
Joined: 26 Nov 2005, 01:46

07 Jul 2009, 10:07 #4

^ Excellent cmain, I've submitted the same to the MPS. Should I also ask the CPS (although their FOI request form is more complicated)?
�To those who are afraid of the truth, I wish to offer a few scary truths; and to those who are not afraid of the truth, I wish to offer proof that the terrorism of truth is the only one that can be of benefit to the proletariat.� -- On Terrorism and the State, Gianfranco Sanguinetti
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cmain
Joined: 19 Jan 2006, 21:24

27 Jul 2009, 17:37 #5

Reply from the MOD says that Counter Terrorism branch of the Met are the ones to ask, which I think Bridget has already done according to the previous post:

Our ref: Dstl/CS/FOI - 487-09 
Your ref: AIT 15-07-2009-163543-008 

17 July 2009
     
Dear cmain,
 
Thank you for your email request dated 7 July 2009 asking for copies of the final forensic
reports relating to the explosion on the circle line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate on
7 July 2005 etc.  Your request has been considered to be a request for information in
accordance with the Freedom of Information Act 2000. 

Please contact the FOIA Unit at the Counter Terrorism Command who will be best placed
to answer your request. 

E mail:  Gill.Brown@met.police.uk 

Address
Gill Brown
SO15 FOIA Unit
Room 1903
New Scotland Yard
Broadway
London
SW1H 0BG
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